Re: [libreoffice-users] Using the Gallery - removing the descriptive text

Thank you, Harald.

[I should also begin with a note on language: I am always humbly grateful for those who are willing 
to speak and write in my native language. (I once worked in a multi-national engineering office in 
Brussels. There were about a dozen client languages, and office business was conducted mostly in 
French and English. Americans and Brits were generally regarded as the least capable 
linguistically.) My lesson from cross-language experience was that it is easier to receive than to 
give, so we might best be served by everyone speaking and writing natively, but I am grateful for 
those who go beyond that -- and especially grateful that English is the world's default second 
language. ;-) ]

I hope you saw that Regina (who may be more knowledgeable about LO than anyone) provided a full and 
simple answer in the same vein as your approach - but she showed how to edit directly in Writer, 
without resort to Draw: just F2. I will be looking at bugs.documentfoundation.org to see if I 
should file a request to have that added to the context menu.

You have helped my success. I hope someday to return the favor.

Kind regards,
John


On 2022-04-25 03:01, LO.Harald.Berger@t-online.de wrote:
> Supplement:
>
> There also seems to be another bug in Draw.
> To be able to edit the text in a flow chart object, you must first right-click on the object and select 
> "Break".
>
> Kind regards,
> Harald
>
>
> Dear John,
>
> first of all, thank you very much for your feedback.
> This has led me to probe a little deeper into the theme.
>
> Well I am not a developer but also just a user like you.
> Therefore, as a user, you can only ever tell about experiences.
>
> It is also possible that I did not understand your question correctly. Sorry, English is not my 
> native language.
>
> But now to the point. I'm glad you are familiar with frames, because they are a powerful tool in 
> Writer.
>
> There is also what I hope is a pleasing development for you.
> You can use and change the flowchart graphics.
> However, this only works in Draw.
>
> I think it is a mistake that this does not work in Writer.
> In this respect it would be appropriate to write a bug report.
>
> Now for the differences, which I found out thanks to your feedback.
>
> -- Flow charts in Writer. --
>
> When you insert a flowchart object into Writer, you can't actually change it (as I said, probably a 
> bug).
> In this example I used the graphic object "Process".
> Right-click the object and select Properties from the context menu.
> The dialog shows you that it is an image and this is therefore not editable.
>
> -- Flow charts in Draw. --
>
> In Draw, add again the flow chart object "Process".
> If you now double-click on the text, the cursor will appear for editing. (Heureka)
>
> Try right-clicking on the object.
> With "Break" you can learn that it is a composite object. Use the navigator to see the individual 
> sub-objects.
>
> -- Workaround - my proposal --
>
> Create flowchart objects for your purposes in Draw and copy them to Writer.
>
> I wish you much success.
>
> Kind regards,
> Harald
>
>
> Am 25.04.2022 um 01:28 schrieb John Kaufmann:
> > Thanks, Harald. That article is about using frames (including linked frames) to layout a DTP 
> > project; it does not address the Gallery, or even the inclusion of graphics generally.  FWIW, I'm 
> > familiar with frames (and even use them in this document), but don't see how they relate to the 
> > question of included graphics, from the Gallery or elsewhere.
> >
> > Most of the Gallery contents seem to be traditional clip-art (graphical symbols), including those collected in the "Flow chart" 
> > category. How do those flowchart symbols differ from others? [The Gallery has three other categories - "BPMN", 
> > "Diagrams", "Shapes" - that also contain descriptive text with graphics; my original question would also apply in those 
> > cases.]  Is your point that I should forget the Gallery and make my own graphics (from Draw or elsewhere)? (If so, what is the purpose of 
> > the Gallery?)
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 2022-04-24 09:30, LO.Harald.Berger@t-online.de wrote:
> > > IMHO, the flowchart symbols are not suitable for your purposes.
> > > For graphical symbols that should contain text, text boxes, drawing symbols or frames are suitable.
> > > Please have a look if this article helps you:
> > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Layout_in_Writer
> > >
> > > Harald
> > >
> > > Am 24.04.2022 um 14:52 schrieb John Kaufmann:
> > > > In years of using OO/LO (now @ 7.1.4.2), I have never been interested in the Gallery of multimedia 
> > > > objects. Now I have an application for it, and can't see how to execute a simple inclusion of a 
> > > > graphic without its attached descriptive text.
> > > >
> > > > Specifically: in Writer I have a 4-page booklet/pamphlet in which the two facing inner pages have related content: The left side 
> > > > (page 2) has a list of summarized thoughts (each a few lines), two of which are expanded on the right side (page 3). To help the 
> > > > reader make the connection, it seems helpful in both cases to point from the condensed version to its expansion.  The Gallery has 
> > > > a set of "Flow chart" graphics, including braces and brackets designed to serve the function of grouping a few lines 
> > > > and pointing to a conclusion. Unfortunately, all come with the description "Callout" which is inserted along with the 
> > > > graphic -- kind of like clip-art that includes a message "This is clip-art" (as part of the clip-art display). This 
> > > > can't be right, can it? - yet I have searched in vain (including the Help and Guides) for how to turn off that descriptive text. 
> > > > What am I missing?
> > > >
> > > > John

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