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I do not have that choice. I have to have Windows for some of the packages that do not have a Linux substitute - yet. All three laptops have a Widows 10 partition and one for Ubuntu 16.04. If I can, the Linux partition is larger than Windows. I have been using Ubuntu Linux since Feb. 2010 as my default OS.

Here is a weird problem with Windows. I has to wipe its 1 TB drive and start from scratch. I installed a fresh install of Windows 10, with all of the needed hardware drivers, and then Ubuntu 16.04 on the largest partition. When I use Windows for simple things like running a defrag, package install or even play a YouTube video, the quad core overheats to 170+ degrees and higher. On the other hand using the Linux partition, I can do anything from kernel updating to multiple YouTube video downloads while viewing a 1080p music video and not go above 140 or 150 degrees.

On 07/17/2017 11:04 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
To be fair, I don"t think Concerned Citizen said he still used NT4, only that Windows has used the same method to control permissions since NT4.

That said, since I accidently erased Windows from my computer last year, I haven't missed it.


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-------- Original message --------
From: Tim-L--Elmira-NY <>
Date: 7/17/17 10:16 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I have had
trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were new.  Even with
fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble.  That is one reason I use
Ubuntu Linux with MATE desktop environment.  Even people who use Linux
can tell you that there are some issues using Linux, just like Windows does.

As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there are
problems with both.  The fact that MS Office's .docx format is different
between the various MS Office version with the newest version of .docx
formatted documents can not be opened/viewed properly with the earlier
versions of Office with .docx

Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect.  Our developers
are volunteers.  They do the best they can to fix any issues that are
reported in the Bug Reporting system.  The good thing is that
LibreOffice is less "complex" than MS Office's Word. Of course,
LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such complex that only
0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will use. There were special
"classes" on these very complex options/functions.  One year there was
an announcement that the new version have over 1000 new functions over
the previous version.  LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package
to due it all".

On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:
> Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause problems.
> From: Concerned Citizen <>
> Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: anne-ology <>
> Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.
> And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
> Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage emails from
> everyone themselves. No business that large does that.
> On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <> wrote:
> Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with
>> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>>            if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
>>         And just what is NT4???
>> From: Concerned Citizen <>
>> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
>> To: Tom Davies <>
>> Cc:
>> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
>> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
>> particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
>> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
>> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
>> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
>> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
>> Battery). To tons of issues with Styles. To epic performance issues on my
>> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
>> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
>> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
>> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
>> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
>> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
>> I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
>> not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
>> Windows. Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
>> wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
>> feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
>> exhibiting, here?
>> For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply >> propagate the permission changes down. It's not difficult. It's worked
>> that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <> wrote:
>>> Hi :)
>>> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
>>> the problems that abound on Windows.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <> wrote:
>>> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>> Hi :)
>>>> There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
>>>> places i volunteer at.
>>>> I have no idea how to fix it. I think we went through each individual
>>>> folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
>>>> inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
>>>> Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
>>>> Regards from
>>>> Tom :)
>>> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>>> Peace...
>>> "The Other" Tom
>>>> On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <
>>>> <>> wrote:
>>>>      On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
>>>> > I am having trouble with this suite. Normally I have been able
>>>>      to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
>>>>      However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
>>>> read-only form. To change the contents I have to open a copy for
>>>>      editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
>>>> and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
>>>>         This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
>>>>      > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
>>>>      about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
>>>> and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
>>>>      and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
>>>>      LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
>>>>      However that is only a wild guess! I would be grateful for
>>>>      your advice and a remedy
>>>>      > regards
>>>>      > M. Hely
>>>>      >
>>>>      I have two basic questions:
>>>> 1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
>>>>          before attempting to open it?
>>>> 2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
>>>>      email
>>>>          attachment?
>>>>      These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
>>>>      to ask
>>>>      anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
>>> systems
>>>> and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>>>>      Peace...
>>>>      "The Other" Tom

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