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       Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause problems.

From: Concerned Citizen <>
Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
To: anne-ology <>

Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.

And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage emails from
everyone themselves. No business that large does that.

On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <> wrote:

       Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with
problems & these will be fixed pronto;
          if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.

       And just what is NT4???

From: Concerned Citizen <>
Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
To: Tom Davies <>

I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...

In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
(macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
1:1 comparison on Windows).

I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
exhibiting, here?

For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <> wrote:

Hi :)
One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
the problems that abound on Windows.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <> wrote:

On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
places i volunteer at.

I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.

Regards from
Tom :)

Wow. Craziness.   :)


"The Other" Tom

On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <
<>> wrote:

    On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
    > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
    to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
    However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
    read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
    editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
    and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
       This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
    > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
    about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
    and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
    and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
    LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
    However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
    your advice and a remedy
    > regards
    > M. Hely
    I have two basic questions:

     1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
        before attempting to open it?
     2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an

    These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
    to ask
    anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
    and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.


    "The Other" Tom

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