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On 10/02/16 12:01 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 2/10/16 8:28 AM, Gary Dale wrote:
On 09/02/16 11:39 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 2/9/16 2:23 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
On 09/02/16 03:23 PM, Dave Liesse wrote:
I've never had any luck with any of the Avery templates I've tried
(although my problem has been mostly with left-to-right adjustments
rather than top-to-bottom).  I finally just got in the habit of
setting my paragraph position as 1/8" into the label; fooling with the
template specs didn't do the job.

I've occasionally found problems with the labels but they are minor. For
small labels, like return-address labels, the print V. Pitch may be a
little off so the labels creep up or down a little as you go down the

I think this could also occur due to printer's paper feed abilities.
In this case, the error is consistent.
Are you referring to the page slipping on the rollers? That would likely
produce inconsistent results. If the labels are simply off consistently,
that would be the top margin. If they vary consistently down that page,
that would be vertical pitch.

Slippage in the rollers is what I was thinking of.

In my case, the error is consistent, so slippage is not problem.

Telling the printer where to actually start the printing appears to be the issue. We'll call it the top margin for convenience, but even that has it's own issues. Since the driver is TWAIN, the brand of printer shouldn't make a difference as long as the printer manufacturer doesn't screw up the driver.

Time to "expand our horizons". (Sounds like a motivational speaker, doesn't it? LOL)

LO's built-in template, displayed on the screen, is correct. The paper's top margin is .5" on the screen and in real life. Positioning of the text is also correct, as displayed on the screen.

Only printing is in error.

Now... Suppose you are creating X number of label designs for someone else. They don't have LO, how to you get the labels to them? Today, I think almost everyone's answer would be PDF.

Fair enough, but that doesn't work either. If you create the PDF with the default template settings, which are correct, the resulting PDF file is also in error. I tried it. Same vertical offset issue.

So you change the top margin, create the PDF, and yep, labels print correctly.

What's wrong with this?

In the above scenario, the recipient of the PDF may/can/will look at the labels before printing them, to see if they are correct. (If they don't, they aren't doing their job.) Guess what? They'll see the top margin error, more easily spotted if you have a vertical ruler option. If you send a PDF based on the correct template (the one supplied by LO), the printing will be off. If you send a PDF based on a modified template, the visual display on the screen will be off.

In this situation, LO falls on its face in providing WYSIWYG... What You See Is What You Get. One of the principals in modern computers. What is displayed on the screen is what is supposed to come out of the printer or other device.

This is no different than if you had the font set for 12 points, but the output to either screen or printer was 16 points. Not a good thing in the long run.

PDF is a great way to exchange documents but it has an interesting print option (usually) of shrinking to fit the printer margins. If you send a PDF label set, you need to remind the recipient to print them full size. I've run into this problem several times where my carefully crafted PDFs aren't printed the way I designed them.

There used to be a problem with multi-column labels but they seem to
have redone the label specification to correct that. When creating
labels, there is "Format" tab that lets you adjust the label properties. In its new incarnation, it is easy to use and gives you exactly what you
need to adjust the properties of incorrectly specified common label
formats down to 1/100 of an inch.

In the end, I'll probably do this.

You can specify the top margin, label height and vertical pitch (the
last two may be different if there is space between the labels) and do
the same for the left margin, label width and horizontal pitch. They
also allow you to specify the page size and the number of rows and

If you think a label isn't defined correctly, fix it. Also, file a bug
report so that the developers can fix it for everyone. It's better to
light a candle or two than to curse the darkness.

In this case, the label spec is correct.  Font design will have to
have a factor in this someway too, I suspect.

It shouldn't unless LO calculates the position of the next label
relative to the end of the previous text. It would seem more natural
(and simpler) to calculate in absolute terms.

Upon retrospect, I agree. But it is something you have to be cognizant of when designing the label, as it can affect the apparent vertical centering of text on the label. Which can effect what you think may be happening with label output. In my case, the label includes a graphic, which is unaffected by text positioning. Makes it easy to figure out where the problem is likely to be.

Another overall negative effect of this problem is, you have to ask yourself, if this is broken, what else in the suite is broken? Especially if you are using LO to make a living. Is there another feature I use in Writer that doesn't work correctly? What if one or two functions in the spreadsheet calculate incorrectly? What if Base occasionally mangles your data?

I remember years ago when Intel turned out a chip that had an error in it's math calculations. It was a rare happening, but when they finally admitted it publicly, trying to say it wasn't important do to the rare occurrence, it did not go over well at all! <G>

I've yet to find software that is perfect (except of course for what I develop ;) ). Big suites like LO will have the occasional bug but I've never found one that was more than an annoyance.

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