Regards from
Tom :)
On 11 October 2015 at 13:15, Charles-H. Schulz <
charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
Le 11 octobre 2015 11:44:33 GMT+02:00, Alex Thurgood <
alex.thurgood@gmail.com> a écrit :
Le 10/10/2015 23:36, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
Suffice it to say that Andreas is a vociferous participant in this
discussion list, but that doesn't make his criticisms any less
justified
or relevant. What he dislikes is badly implemented change for
change's
sake, and that is an inherent problem in LibreOffice's development.
The
project from the start has sacrificed behavioural stability with
regard
to the end user for feature creep. We are quite clearly in the
"bazaar"
mode of the cathedral and bazaar dichotomy, where no overlying
dictatorship (benevolent or otherwise) exists to govern the
direction
code development should take. This has positive and negative effects
-
the positive being that people can just turn up and work on the
thing
they want to implement - the negative being the law of unintended
consequences, or collateral damage, i.e. bugs newly introduced that
change long standing behaviour to which users have become
accustomed.
Fortunately, there are still people like Andreas to call the code
contributors out on those decisions.
I would suggest putting yourself in an admin's place where they have
probably invested long hours in developing a turnkey
OpenOffice/LibreOffice solution for their group of users, then
finding
one day that that longstanding behaviour has changed because someone
else has not thought through a code change due to the tentacular
nature
of the code base with no one having an overarching knowledge of it
all,
and you will perhaps understand Andreas' frustration (which I happen
to
share and have voiced it on the mailing lists in the past).
At present, long term support (bug fixes, security updates) for
older
versions is to my knowledge only available on Linux and only with
regard
to certain distributions. If you are not on Linux, then you are
stuck
playing catch up with versions that successively introduce new bugs
or
behaviours that don't get fixed for at least several point releases,
or
for certain OSes, over multiple major version releases. Steve's
mention
in this thread of EPS support and printing is just yet another
illustration of a change that was made that has a huge impact on
non-Linux OSes - all because someone thought it would be a good idea
to
make that change without providing a solution for all platforms.
Video
support in Impress is yet another issue that got significantly worse
with the move to the 4.x branch. What was the message we gave to our
users ? "Suck it up." There is only so much of that that users and
their
admins are prepared to do, and in the end, it won't be surprising if
people switch to another product that offers them greater longterm
stability where such changes are less invasive or devastating to the
day-to-day running of the organisation.
Alex
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Alex,
I do not know where you got that support and security updates are
only
available on Linux. That is factually wrong and serious bullshit.
Get your
facts straight: support is the same for the three officially
supported
platforms: Windowslinux and OS X. Remember that many code
contributors have
customers too.
As for calling developers on their responsibility that is quite easy
especiaIly when that call takes an oracular form: doing it in such a
way is
one of the things defining a troll. I wonder if Andreas does the same
for
AOO ? Something tells me that is not the case but I could be wrong.
Best,
Charles.
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