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Looking at the subject line I am confused. Ubuntu ships with a version of LO in each release and LO is in the official Ubuntu repositories. So what was the actual question, which was never clear to me. The only question that made any sense was how to install a Ubuntu ppa for the latest stable LO release but that did seemed to be the question. Adding a ppa is an easy process.

AFAIK most Linux desktop distros ship with LO as the office package with a few shipping with Calligra. In either case the other is often in the distro's repository and is usually trivial to install using the distro's package management tools.


On 10/11/2015 12:25 PM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
Le 11 octobre 2015 17:28:30 GMT+02:00, Tom Davies <> a écrit :
Hi :)
Many Gnu&Linux distros offer their own somewhat independent support
their own forums, mailing lists and bug-report systems.

That type of support is not available to Windows users and may not be
available to Mac people.

However it is true that there are many other support systems available
those are (hopefully) available for all OSes.  There may be local
such as a shop or relative who understands one OS better than others.

All support from TDF is available to anyone regardless of which OS so
give Gnu&Linuxs users yet another set of places to get support from.
usually helpful if we know which OS or at least platform in order to be
able to give more specific and relevant support rather than talking in
general terms.  However this seldom includes much help for those who
stuck on older versions.

Also there are professional support services which can be paid for.
these services can often provide support for a variety of platforms and
OSes.  This often includes tier 3 (or level 3) support so that might
include support for older versions.
+1 good description.

So one of the few places that doesn't support the notion of a "Long
Support" type release is TDF itself!  TDF say it cant be done.  Other
places just get on with it and do it.

Also you might add that TDF does not offer LTS because TDF is not a business and therefore has no 
incentive in a LTS version which only makes sense if you monetize it. The poster example of this is 
Canonical and Ubuntu LTS.  Canonical makes money on LTS and is only able to do so because the LTS 
itself is a profitable business.  Otherwise you would not even hear of it. Businesses looking for 
something very similar to a LTS version of LibreOffice can contact our certified developers and 
their companies though.


Regards from
Tom :)

On 11 October 2015 at 13:15, Charles-H. Schulz <> wrote:

Le 11 octobre 2015 11:44:33 GMT+02:00, Alex Thurgood <> a écrit :
Le 10/10/2015 23:36, Italo Vignoli a écrit :

Suffice it to say that Andreas is a vociferous participant in this
discussion list, but that doesn't make his criticisms any less
or relevant. What he dislikes is badly implemented change for
sake, and that is an inherent problem in LibreOffice's development.
project from the start has sacrificed behavioural stability with
to the end user for feature creep. We are quite clearly in the
mode of the cathedral and bazaar dichotomy, where no overlying
dictatorship (benevolent or otherwise) exists to govern the
code development should take. This has positive and negative effects
the positive being that people can just turn up and work on the
they want to implement - the negative being the law of unintended
consequences, or collateral damage, i.e. bugs newly introduced that
change long standing behaviour to which users have become
Fortunately, there are still people like Andreas to call the code
contributors out on those decisions.

I would suggest putting yourself in an admin's place where they have
probably invested long hours in developing a turnkey
OpenOffice/LibreOffice solution for their group of users, then
one day that that longstanding behaviour has changed because someone
else has not thought through a code change due to the tentacular
of the code base with no one having an overarching knowledge of it
and you will perhaps understand Andreas' frustration (which I happen
share and have voiced it on the mailing lists in the past).

At present, long term support (bug fixes, security updates) for
versions is to my knowledge only available on Linux and only with
to certain distributions. If you are not on Linux, then you are
playing catch up with versions that successively introduce new bugs
behaviours that don't get fixed for at least several point releases,
for certain OSes, over multiple major version releases. Steve's
in this thread of EPS support and printing is just yet another
illustration of a change that was made that has a huge impact on
non-Linux OSes - all because someone thought it would be a good idea
make that change without providing a solution for all platforms.
support in Impress is yet another issue that got significantly worse
with the move to the 4.x branch. What was the message we gave to our
users ? "Suck it up." There is only so much of that that users and
admins are prepared to do, and in the end, it won't be surprising if
people switch to another product that offers them greater longterm
stability where such changes are less invasive or devastating to the
day-to-day running of the organisation.


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I do not know where you got that support and security updates are
available on Linux.  That is factually wrong and serious bullshit.
Get your
facts straight: support is the same for the three officially
platforms: Windowslinux and OS X. Remember that many code
contributors have
customers too.

  As for calling developers on their responsibility that is quite easy
especiaIly when that call takes an oracular form: doing it in such a
way is
one of the things defining a troll. I wonder if Andreas does the same
AOO ? Something tells me that is not the case but I could be wrong.


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