Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

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> Alex Thurgood <mailto:alex.thurgood@gmail.com>
> 11 Oct 2015 11:44via Postbox 
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> Le 10/10/2015 23:36, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
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> Suffice it to say that Andreas is a vociferous participant in this
> discussion list, but that doesn't make his criticisms any less justified
> or relevant. What he dislikes is badly implemented change for change's
> sake, and that is an inherent problem in LibreOffice's development. The
> project from the start has sacrificed behavioural stability with regard
> to the end user for feature creep. We are quite clearly in the "bazaar"
> mode of the cathedral and bazaar dichotomy, where no overlying
> dictatorship (benevolent or otherwise) exists to govern the direction
> code development should take. This has positive and negative effects -
> the positive being that people can just turn up and work on the thing
> they want to implement - the negative being the law of unintended
> consequences, or collateral damage, i.e. bugs newly introduced that
> change long standing behaviour to which users have become accustomed.
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> Fortunately, there are still people like Andreas to call the code
> contributors out on those decisions.
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> I would suggest putting yourself in an admin's place where they have
> probably invested long hours in developing a turnkey
> OpenOffice/LibreOffice solution for their group of users, then finding
> one day that that longstanding behaviour has changed because someone
> else has not thought through a code change due to the tentacular nature
> of the code base with no one having an overarching knowledge of it all,
> and you will perhaps understand Andreas' frustration (which I happen to
> share and have voiced it on the mailing lists in the past).
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> At present, long term support (bug fixes, security updates) for older
> versions is to my knowledge only available on Linux and only with regard
> to certain distributions. If you are not on Linux, then you are stuck
> playing catch up with versions that successively introduce new bugs or
> behaviours that don't get fixed for at least several point releases, or
> for certain OSes, over multiple major version releases. Steve's mention
> in this thread of EPS support and printing is just yet another
> illustration of a change that was made that has a huge impact on
> non-Linux OSes - all because someone thought it would be a good idea to
> make that change without providing a solution for all platforms. Video
> support in Impress is yet another issue that got significantly worse
> with the move to the 4.x branch. What was the message we gave to our
> users ? "Suck it up." There is only so much of that that users and their
> admins are prepared to do, and in the end, it won't be surprising if
> people switch to another product that offers them greater longterm
> stability where such changes are less invasive or devastating to the
> day-to-day running of the organisation.
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> Italo Vignoli <mailto:italo@libreoffice.org>
> 10 Oct 2015 23:36via Postbox 
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> Please avoid entering in a discussion with a well know enemy of
> LibreOffice. Andreas Saeger aka Villeroy has been spreading FUD about
> LibreOffice since forever. People happy with a dead and buggy software -
> aka Apache OpenOffice - should avoid commenting on LibreOffice mailing
> lists.
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> Florian Reisinger <mailto:florei@libreoffice.org>
> 10 Oct 2015 15:27via Postbox 
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> Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse?
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> Andreas Säger <mailto:villeroy@t-online.de>
> 10 Oct 2015 15:26via Postbox 
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> LO introduces far too many changes to the worse which is why I still
> prefer OpenOffice.
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> Philip Jackson <mailto:philip.jackson@nordnet.fr>
> 10 Oct 2015 15:23via Postbox 
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> Thank you Tom for that interesting explanation of the documentation 
> website.
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> It explains why I often have trouble finding answers there. I keep a 
> local copy
> of "OpenOffice.org 3 Writer Guide" on my machine and can often find 
> answers
> there faster than on the website.
>
> Philip


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