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Hi :)
That makes a lot of sense.  Actually turned me around a bit.

Please take my previous advice "with a big pinch of salt" or even ignore
completely.  The important thing is to get something set-up that does work
for you.

Getting your own bookkeeper, perhaps for an hour or 2 a week or something,
might be better than getting the accountancy firm to do your bookkeeping
for you.  It might be a lot cheaper and be better for more relaxed chats
about the whole thing.

They might need several more hours in the first few weeks so that they can
develop or configure a system for you.  I guess that a lot of bookkeepers
might be really glad of a chance to set things up in a way that they
prefer, as we all have our own preferences on some things, rather than
trying to figure out someone else's system.

Regards from
Tom :)

On 1 April 2015 at 09:42, Wiebe van der Worp <> wrote:

On 30-03-15 23:27, Eric wrote:

I'm looking for really simple invoicing system. I've seen a few out
there that work on top of Calc but they are typically oriented towards
product based invoices versus service invoices (what I need).

A while ago I came up with a similar question here. Not happy with my
software I've tried several options and finally decided to be stubborn. So
I made a construction in Calc and after three months working with it I can
say that is was worth the effort and I am very happy with it. I am in full
control now, instead of pushing buttons on a black box, I can import raw
csv files from the bank and after a good talk with and help from my
accountant the output is very compatible with his demands. For people not
very familiar with Calc I would strongly advice not to do it this way.

One of the reasons to do this is that my invoice system is based on tables
in Calc. In fact it started with Star Office and is now over 13 years old.
It is not a nice polished system, back then I had a database in mind so it
contains a lot of sheets for relations, a sheet for customers, customer -
project, project - invoice, invoice - sold items, ...

Flexibility is a main argument. For example, over the years I began
exporting, inside and outside EU, to private persons and companies, all
having different VAT laws. It is extended to serve well and I am even not
aware of a system that is able to do this task better and is Freedom

Concluding, I am in full control, it took a lot of work but that is paying
back, it is not polished, using it is hard to explain to colleagues, you
always have to be careful not to mess things up, it is very easy to export
data, search data and sort data. It takes discipline to work with it.

Perhaps most important... Over the years I've learned one thing, smart
entrepreneurs are experts in bookkeeping. If not, work on it. Last resort:
find a bookkeeper for a long term relation.

 I'm not interested in a
full-fledged bookkeeping system. I've been through three in the past two
years and finally my accountant told me I was never to touch a
bookkeeping system or even do my own bookkeeping because it's gonna cost
me more for him to untangle my mistakes that it will be for him to do it
for me (yes, I'm that bad at it).

There is so much on the net, everybody can learn bookkeeping and working
with your own data gives you the best impression of how your organization
is doing.

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