Re: Re: [libreoffice-users] invoicing systems using Calc (or something else)

Hi :)
Yeh i think the words "elaborate" and "double entry" and "accounting
system" all indicate that what you do is at a much higher level.  Like the
spreadsheets i was grumbling about but you are using a proper system that
gets good results.

I think it takes a bit of a struggle to set it up at first but i've heard
that GnuCash is one of the easier and more helpful packages for all that.
The advantage with Sage or Quickbooks or Quicken is that the accountancy
firm is more likely to already be familiar with how to set them up and can
use them directly.  Sometimes when people say "best" they mean most
familiar.

I tried to get my current company to use GnuCash or at least give it a fair
go but instead they poured days and weeks into setting up a spreadsheet
system that is now locking them into sticking with MS Office 2010.  they
can't upgrade with re-writing macros!

Anyway it is great to hear that GnuCash is giving really good results
fairly easily once you set it up and that it's good for that sort of sized
organisation.
Regards from
Tom :)





On 31 March 2015 at 10:24, H. Stoellinger <hc.stoellinger@aon.at> wrote:

>  Hello,
> I have been "doing the books" for a brassband for the past 15 years.
> For more than 10 years I have used GnuCash as a base for the band's
> accounting system. I don't know what your requirements are exactly,
> but GnuCash is quite an elaborate double-entry system with reports
> and graphics, etc. Data are stored either in xml-format or using a
> relational database (MySQL is definitely supported).
> Regards
> Heinrich
>
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------  Betreff: Re:
> [libreoffice-users] invoicing systems using Calc (or something else)  Datum:
> Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:58:25 +0100  Von: Tom Davies <tomcecf@gmail.com>
> <tomcecf@gmail.com>  An: Eric <esj@esjworks.com> <esj@esjworks.com>  Kopie
> (CC): users@global.libreoffice.org <users@global.libreoffice.org>
> <users@global.libreoffice.org>
>
> Hi :)
> +1
> wrt paper and pencil!!  But to be fair i haven't tried any of the ones i
> gave a link to nor any listed on the Wikipedia page.
>
> Wrt Wikipedia's bias i think it's fair to say that every source of
> information has it's own bias.  Wikipedia is one of the few that is not
> entirely owned by corporate interests or specific individuals.  As with any
> source of information it is only the starting point of further research =
> so it's quite handy that their pages have links to external sources.
>
> It sounds like Quicken might be worth looking into, if you are in the US,
> but as you point out it is over-kill for what you need.
>
> In the accountancy practice where i worked we always completely ignored any
> spreadsheets done by the client.  I used to have a quick look just in case
> it happened to be ok but generally it was far faster to start from scratch
> and use my own system.  Spreadsheets have tooo many ways of getting things
> just a little muddled and then build on those errors.  They can be a handy
> way of quickly keeping a rough track though i guess.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> On 31 March 2015 at 06:19, Eric <esj@esjworks.com> <esj@esjworks.com> wrote:
>
> > On 3/30/2015 10:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> >
> > > The only names i recognised were GnuCash and HomeBank;
> > > http://www.gnucash.org/
> >
> > I spent approximately 40 hours trying to get basic books to balance. I'm
> > talking only 100 entries and I could never make it work.I thought this list
> > looked interesting;
> >
> > > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/best-
> > > free-accounting-software-8-
> programs-we-recommend-1136684
> > > There is even one that says it only does invoicing and that looks fairly
> > > simple.
> >
> > It's also Windows only and it will probably do what I need but to have a
> > whole separate machine for Windows is just making me crazy.
> >
> > > Err, i used to work in an Accountancy Practice as a clerk so it was my
> > > job to do really basic bookkeeping for quite a lot of clients.  That sort
> > > of approach might well turn out to be well worth the cost and would
> > > probably be a lot lower than than whatever your accountant charges per hour
> > > for your end-of-year accounts etc.  It might be worth asking her/him to
> > > give you an estimate of how much they think they would charge, just to get
> > > an idea.
> >
> > he's built a package for me with corporate, personal, bookkeeping and
> > phone support for something like $300 a month. It's been worth already
> > because he's an enrolled agent and because of crap from my divorce, he kept
> > the IRS off my back. I've done some shopping around and anyone who has any
> > sort of a reputation for quality work is in that same range.
> >
> > As I've said elsewhere, a full-scale bookkeeping system is overcomplicated
> > solution. It's some simple sums, filling in a form from other cells in a
> > different tab on a spreadsheet but, this may be just one of those cases
> > where paper and pencil is a better solution because all computers do is
> > complicate things. it's sad when five minutes with paper and pencil and a
> > fax machine performs better than current software and the Internet.
>
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