Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base questions

Hi :)
I was kinda agreeing with you, hence the +1.  I think people kinda
understood what you meant and i suspect other people agree with you too.
The devs sometimes have great plans and good ideas and then users do some
crazy things.  It's difficult to anticipate what users will find difficult
and what is going to be easier for them to understand.

I've really enjoyed this thread.  Some amusing and enlightening posts.
Thanks and regards from


On 5 August 2014 14:56, Jon Harringdon <jonathan.harringdon@virgin.net>
wrote:

> Tom Davies <tomcecf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think Base nearly does do the best way around.  The only problem is
> that
> > the easiest thing, the embedded database, is currently dangerously
> broken.
> >  The devs appear to be addressing that although, obviously, they can't
> fix
> > the whole thing all at one go.  The first step seems reasonably well
> chosen
> > to get the main bulk away from java.
> >
> > I'm sure Java didn't used to be so awful.  It seems to have nose-dived
> > since Oracle took over but maybe that is preparation for monetising it
> and
> > that is a reasonable thing for a profit-making company to want to do.
>
> My criticism was not at all directed specifically against Base as I
> don't know the first thing about it. It was rather directed against the
> idea that developers know better than users. They rarely, if ever, do,
> IMHO.
>
> Users have a zillion creative ways of (mis-)using a product, many of
> them undreamt-of by its developers. So the more user choice and less
> developer diktat a product exhibits, the better it is, in general.
>
> I avoid Java as much as I possibly can (read: always) but my argument
> has nothing whatsoever to do with Java.
>
> Jon
>
> > On 5 August 2014 13:33, Jon Harringdon <jonathan.harringdon@virgin.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Wolfgang Keller <feliphil@gmx.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > So I come back to my suggestion earlier today - LO Base needs to
> give
> > > > > the user the opportunity to specify what they want - RAM or file
> > > > > based, single file or multiple files.
> > > >
> > > > That would only confuse most end users.
> > >
> > > Hear, hear.
> > >
> > > > The point is that the developers should make the most reasonable
> > > > choice
> > >
> > > This mindset will not help LO broaden its user base. Users (even if
> most
> > > are apparently deemed stupid by some) should be in the driving seat and
> > > not some anonymous "developers".
> > >
> > > Pip Coburn writes this about the tech industry: "I believe that users
> > > are always in charge and that supply is a necessary but not sufficient
> > > condition for commercial success. Companies and products geared toward
> > > this holistic user orientation will succeed at far greater rates than
> > > those stuck in a supplier-oriented mind-set." As far as I'm concerned
> > > that hits the nail squarely on the head.
> > >
> > > And as to confusing users with complex choices... a well-designed
> system
> > > can be simple for simple needs and complex for complex needs.
> > >
> > > One-size-fits-all rarely fits anyone.
> > >
> > > IMHO etc.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
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