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Hi :)

I think Base nearly does do the best way around.  The only problem is that
the easiest thing, the embedded database, is currently dangerously broken.
 The devs appear to be addressing that although, obviously, they can't fix
the whole thing all at one go.  The first step seems reasonably well chosen
to get the main bulk away from java.

I'm sure Java didn't used to be so awful.  It seems to have nose-dived
since Oracle took over but maybe that is preparation for monetising it and
that is a reasonable thing for a profit-making company to want to do.

It's like the story of the scorpion and the fox crossing a river.  The
scorpion stings the fox and as they both sink the fox asks why.  The
scorpion replies that it's his nature to sting and he can't help it.  So
can we really blame a profit-making company from attempting to subvert a
free product it owns in order to later be able to sell an "enterprise" or
"professional" version?

It's a shame openJava can't escape and gather a huge community as
LibreOffice did back when OpenOffice was owned by Oracle.

Base currently allows users to start of by using an internal back-end and
then move it to an external tool when they are ready.  [shrugs]  Seems a
good plan to me.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 5 August 2014 13:33, Jon Harringdon <>

Wolfgang Keller <> wrote:

So I come back to my suggestion earlier today - LO Base needs to give
the user the opportunity to specify what they want - RAM or file
based, single file or multiple files.

That would only confuse most end users.

Hear, hear.

The point is that the developers should make the most reasonable

This mindset will not help LO broaden its user base. Users (even if most
are apparently deemed stupid by some) should be in the driving seat and
not some anonymous "developers".

Pip Coburn writes this about the tech industry: "I believe that users
are always in charge and that supply is a necessary but not sufficient
condition for commercial success. Companies and products geared toward
this holistic user orientation will succeed at far greater rates than
those stuck in a supplier-oriented mind-set." As far as I'm concerned
that hits the nail squarely on the head.

And as to confusing users with complex choices... a well-designed system
can be simple for simple needs and complex for complex needs.

One-size-fits-all rarely fits anyone.

IMHO etc.


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