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Hi :)
The point about having plenty of Ram is that if you do then you can go into
Tools - Options - Memory
and bump the settings up really high.  The defaults are set for very low
Ram machines.

Actually i do have a lot of confidence in LibreOffice and OpenOffice.  I've
almost never had any problems on any of the machines i look after nor on
clients machines.  This mailing-list has received amazingly few requests
for help given that for the first couple of years it was the only place to
get any user-support for LibreOffice.

The user-base rocketed past 60 million users and is still growing fast.
 Most of the problems have been about MS formats changeable and unreliable
nature.  Of the remaining problems most have had easy fixes, such as
renaming the User Profile or by getting people to try out styles or just
pointing people to the published guides.

However the starting point in this thread is that something has gone wrong.
 My suggestions were fairly generic "magic cure-alls" for any problem.
 Luckily you have already had responses from experts in the specific type
of problem but sometimes answers are not forthcoming quite so quickly so
it's good to give people something to explore and "look into" while waiting

In my country there is a phrase "You can't make an omelet without breaking
eggs" and this is very true of writing software.  LibreOffice handles this
by putting almost all the innovation into the first release of each new
branch.  Subsequent releases in the same branch increasingly focus on
bug-fixes and consolidation.

So 3.5.0 introduced many new features, added greater compatibility with the
ever-changing MS formats.  The 3.5.1 probably added some things that hadn't
quite passed alpha or beta testing and similarly with the 3.5.2.  However
the 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 were more about fixing bugs.  By the 3.5.3 it was
stable enough for rolling out across machines that are not so easy to
reach.  By the 3.5.4 it's kinda becoming so dull that innovators are crying
out to try out new innovations and by then the 3.6.0 was ready to "show
off" even newer innovation rapidly getting out there into the real world on
real machines for "early adopters" to enjoy and through the subsequent
x.x.1, x.x.2 and so on gradually making those innovations more stable.

By contrast i still see tons of questions and problems on the many lists
and forums for MS Office 2010 and even 2007.  People are still finding tons
of problems with trying to use MS Office 2010 and even 2007, even after
they have installed "Service Pack"s 1 and 2

So, my experience of LibreOffice is that it is an awesome project.  It is
incredibly stable if that is what you want or amazingly innovative if that
is what you want.  The trick is breaking some old bad habits,
misinformation and misunderstandings that people have become entrenched in
after years of using MS Office (such as questions about "which is best"
with the inevitable answer of "depends what you want").  As people break
free of those MS-ways of thinking they find LO, AOO and all the others are
far better.

I prefer LO because;
1.  It lets me do things that people couldn't do if they used MS Office.
2.  it lets me find a perfect balance between stability and innovation
3.  i know some simple fixes if anything does ever go wrong.
4.  streamlining advanced functionality by adding Extensions hasn't even
become an issue yet for me but i like the idea of it.  So far the default
configuration does everything i need and more.  (errr, i usually bump the
memory settings up but jic rather than because i need to)

Also i really like the community.  Generally i hate socialising or dealing
with people but i like the way that so many different people can hold such
differnt views and even struggle and fight against each other but all of it
helps the whole project grow.  The Marketing Team are getting bigger and
more impressive displays at a wider range of trade-shows, better materials
such as flyers, the design team do great work, the docs team are quietly
heroic and so on and on.

Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 April 2014 13:44, Kracked_P_P---webmaster

On 04/10/2014 08:09 AM, CVAlkan wrote:

Good points all, but I suspect not my problem.

I almost mentioned during my post that folks should ignore the fact that
HP-LIP (3.14.4) had been released just the day before my post. It is, in
fact, the "latest and greatest" as they say. But the problem I'm
experiencing has existed for quite a while - I was just too busy to take
time to write about it.

Regarding 'The Duplexing of a sheet that has only one page seems "normal"
me', I have to disagree, if only because of the paper weight limitations
the potential for jamming. I have found, like you, that such behavior is
"common" but it represents, I believe, poor (or thoughtless) coding. The
last two duplex printers I've had (HP: 5400, 6700) correctly (again, in my
view) permit the default behavior to be chosen by the user, but out of the
box, they will print single pages without feeding the sheet through the

Interestingly, my 6700 permits you to specify whether pages are output
up or face down. I suspect this causes the duplex mechanism to be used for
flipping them (I haven't actually tried this). I'm not sure why this
capability exists, but I always vote for more flexibility so long as
reasonable defaults are set for those who don't care to "fiddle" with

I have worked with a 6700 before, but do not own one.   My only Officejet
is a 7000 wide format one [up to 13 by 19 inch] - same ink, but no
duplexing for this model.  [I buy the ink from a source on Amazon, where I
can get 3+ sets of XL ink for the price one set of HP {or Canon} OEM
"standard" ink, and more for the price of the OEM XL ink. Always check ink
costs before I buy a new printer.]

I also have HP 2300dn duplexing laser with duplexing, Canon MG6220 inkjet
print/scan/copy w/duplexing, Canon MX922 inkjet print/scan/copy/fax
w/duplex and auto-feed duplex document scanning.  [note:  Linux drivers for
Canon printer need to be found on their UK site.  The USA site does not
support Linux as an OS.]

All three of these duplexing printers have duplexing turned off as a
default.  I turn it on depending on the document's printing needs.

Also I use CUPS-PDF for my default printer, so I can print pages from a
browser and skip those pages I do not want/need to print.

Face down for the laser or when I duplex for the inkjets.  For the inkjets
non-duplexing, I tend to print in reverse so the last page is on the bottom
of the paper stack, and the first page is on top.

 Of course, comparing all this with the need to recompile my copy of
Telewriter-64 on my Radio Shack Color Computer back in the late 70s so
I could switch from using my Tandy printer to my new Okidata - - - well, I
suppose things are better now, but it's hard to say several decades's
of better :)

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