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Thanks for the comments.  Yes, Ubuntu seems especially
aggressive with "out with the old" mentality in spite of having
released named "Long Term Support".

No, the boxes are not old- they are Dell Zino, Zotac, and Asus
boxes purchased within the three, two, and one year, approximately,
respectively.  They are AMD64 low-power APU devices with integrated

My impression is that Debian has a much better record with regards
to preventing regression, so I'm probably going to test with them.
I probably won't be switching to anything that's not dpkg-based
unless there's a compelling reason- it would mess with too many

On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Girvin Herr <> wrote:
I have been reading this thread, but since I do not use Ubuntu, I have no
direct experience to add to this discussion.  However, I may make one
suggestion: check the age of your video card and computer. I use Slackware
Linux and I have had KDE4 (QT-based) and xfce (GTK-based) desktop stability
problems for the last 3 or 4 Slackware releases.  My computer and its ATI
Radeon AGP video card were over 10 years old.  I recently upgraded my
computer to 2-year old technology and used an ATI 4350 PCI Express video
card and the stability problems went away.  I suspect that the Linux devs no
longer have access to the old hardware (AGP in this case) and do not test
the new code with it.  Therefore, it is a crap shot for new Linux versions
to fully function with old hardware.

As a footnote: After the upgrade, I took the old computer and went from 1GB
to 3GB of RAM, but that alone did not solve the desktop stability problems.
Switching from the old ATI AGP to an even older Nvidia AGP I had lying
around, and switching from the default nouveau driver, because it would not
find the old card, to the "nv" driver, got the old system working stably
again.  But it is a "bailing wire" approach and is destined to fail in the

Girvin Herr

On 01/22/2014 09:02 PM, Tony Godshall wrote:

10.04 LTS is lucid. We never went to gnome 3 since it broke too many
workflows. We looked at cinnamon and mate and they made our workstations
unstable. It's weird that an application could disrupt the ui as much as
we're seeing. Our users are used to their workstations staying up for
months and installing libre office has been much more disruptive than a
simple application install should have been.
On Jan 21, 2014 6:53 PM, "Jay Lozier" <> wrote:

On 01/21/2014 07:00 PM, Tony Godshall wrote:

This seems to be directly correlated to the install of LibreOffice 4.1.

OS is Ubuntu Linux 10.04 LTS 32-bit.  Hardware varies- mostly AMD64
dual-core E350 and E450.

I'm trying to confirm other issues- users have reported it's happens
more when using toolbar things like color background of cell to

I've confirmed panels going away and panels going transparent.

Some users have figured out that they can choose Log Out and then just
cancel and get their environment back.  Clicking Log Out is a
challenge but doable when the panel disappears- tooltips show where
the buttons are.

I've also found out that I can ssh in, su - to the user, kill
gnome-panel, and then relaunch it, and that also restores their
desktop to function.


This is Gnome 2 on Maverick? I am not sure if anyone here knows enough
about gnome-panel to answer you.

Have you tried the Ubuntu or Gnome forums?

Jay Lozier

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