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Thanks, Tom.

I'll do as you say. I'll start with a blank .odt and assess the method/results as I go. I agree with your comments about why this process is made difficult for profit by certain entities. The current problem with collaboration is that once the file leaves your computer.. you soon end up trading .docs back and forth, unfortunately.


On 26/08/13 23:06, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
iow.  Both ways are good.  Pick one.  Use it.  (or modify one)

Neither is perfect because DocX and even Doc is not perfect. Odt usage is on the rise and beginning to be the best choice for long-term storage. Hopefully it will 'soon' become the best choice for active collaboration too.

Until then we are at the mercy of a single profit-making company that is beginning to panic about the sudden rise of mobile computing. They need to sell more of what people already have. How are they going to convince people to keep buying stuff they don't really rely on so much anymore?

Regards from
Tom :)

*From:* Info/UX <>
*To:* Tom Davies <>
*Cc:* Virgil Arrington <>; "" <>
*Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 22:38
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?

Thanks, Tom, Virgil.

If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my simple template with basic paragraph and page styles.

So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a windows machine).

Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on.

Thanks for all this advice.


On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are unlikely to have any problems.

We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty.

If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises.

Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing the font of "text body") on different pages within the same document. If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed.

I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. Stick with the "Save As ...". the Doc format doesn't open in that way and doesn't hold images in an image format which is another reason i suggest keeping a copy of images nearby.

Also i have sometimes found that mysterious things happen during the course of a Word document. So to save myself a lot of time i tend to start with a fresh new Odt and then use
Ctrl Shift v
to paste in "unformatted text" and then apply styles (and maybe modfied the styles after to watch the mod ripple through the document). Occasionally i have wanted to "just do something quickly" and then been frustrated by some weird bit of insane MS formatting that just keeps throwing up problems until i relent and do the "start again from scratch" approach which has then typically taken just a few minutes even if the problem seemed intractable.

Regards from
Tom :)

*From:* Info/UX <> <>
*To:* Virgil Arrington <> <>
*Cc:* <>
*Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?

Thanks, Virgil.

I can probably alter any lists when I work in an MS environment at the
final stage of formatting.

Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering if I use slightly more
advanced features of LibreOffice to get my results whether it would
cause more problems when working in Word. I am trying to keep the
process relatively simple. The articles only need to have consistent
fonts and spacing and perhaps one page break for the bibliographies. I
have starting created a LibreOffice template with customised paragraph
styles and some changes to the page style. I was planning to apply this
to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my formatting would transfer to
Word, I don't mind making some manual adjustments at that stage.


On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote:
> In my experience, most paragraph styles tend to translate well to
> MS-Word formats. However, I've had problems with the alignment of
> automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO and MSW seem to align them
> differently.
> One bigger difference, however, is the way the two formats handle page
> formatting. LO uses page styles to change formatting from one page to
> another, whereas Word does not. It uses section breaks to make such
> page formatting changes, and I've found discrepancies in translating
> page formatting between the two.
> Virgil
> -----Original Message----- From: Info/UX
> Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM
> To: <>
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
> other software/formats?
> Hello,
> Apologies if this is a basic question. I've been given some documents to > format according to certain style guidelines. The files are mostly .docx
> and .doc and must be sent off in this format. I work only with
> LibreOffice. My questions is, if I format the articles using paragraph
> and page styles rather than just directly changing the format in the
> body of the document, will the formatting be maintained when the
> documents are opened in MS Office? I am not concerned with small
> discrepancies that can be tweaked later on, rather whether this method
> of formatting generally transfers well. Again, sorry if it's a silly
> question.
> Many thanks.
> Ryan

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