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Hi :)
I think my way is the best, unless it doesn't work out and then i need to find someone else to 
blame.  Virgil's plan also has merit and it sounds like he has used it on more and different types 
of documents than me.  Mine tend to have quite a lot of logos.  Not sure if Virgil's documents are 
more ilke yours.  

Is it possible to do a trial run of 1 or 2?  If you find quirks you don't like do the same 1 or 2 
the other way and have a quick look to see which looks best?  

Both methods probably work just as well in the longer term, if other people are going to edit them, 
because they will find weird ways to stuff up formatting to get you back to square 1 again.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  

 From: Info/UX <>
To: Tom Davies <> 
Cc: Virgil Arrington <>; "" 
Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 22:38
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats?

Thanks, Tom, Virgil.

If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would 
probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. 
Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my 
simple template with basic paragraph and page styles.

So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel 
I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if 
possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, 
I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a 
blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles 
from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a 
windows machine).

Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is 
for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow 
other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going on.

Thanks for all this advice.


On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are 
unlikely to have any problems.

We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the 
final outcome uncertain.  Being able to quickly scroll through before 
sending it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty.

If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end 
convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises.

Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or 
method of using styles.  He is talking about changing styles (such as 
changing the font of "text body") on different pages within the same 
document.  If you need to do that it might be worth creating 
duplicates of the styles and then modifying the duplicates?  I'm not 
sure how to deal with that but Virgil has probably found a work-around 
if needed.

I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts 
just in case you do run into problems.  LO does have an extremely rare 
intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting 
rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on.  You know that you can 
rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see 
the Xml coding inside along with folders for various things such as 
images.  Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a bit 
risky.  The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats so 
just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. 
Stick with the "Save As ...".  the Doc format doesn't open in that way 
and doesn't hold images in an image format which is another reason i 
suggest keeping a copy of images nearby.

Also i have sometimes found that mysterious things happen during the 
course of a Word document.  So to save myself a lot of time i tend to 
start with a fresh new Odt and then use
Ctrl Shift v
to paste in "unformatted text" and then apply styles (and maybe 
modfied the styles after to watch the mod ripple through the 
document).  Occasionally i have wanted to "just do something quickly" 
and then been frustrated by some weird bit of insane MS formatting 
that just keeps throwing up problems until i relent and do the "start 
again from scratch" approach which has then typically taken just a few 
minutes even if the problem seemed intractable.

Regards from
Tom :)

*From:* Info/UX <>
*To:* Virgil Arrington <>
*Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles 
exported to other software/formats?

Thanks, Virgil.

I can probably alter any lists when I work in an MS environment at the
final stage of formatting.

Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering if I use slightly more
advanced features of LibreOffice to get my results whether it would
cause more problems when working in Word. I am trying to keep the
process relatively simple. The articles only need to have consistent
fonts and spacing and perhaps one page break for the bibliographies. I
have starting created a LibreOffice template with customised paragraph
styles and some changes to the page style. I was planning to apply this
to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my formatting would transfer to
Word, I don't mind making some manual adjustments at that stage.


On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote:
In my experience, most paragraph styles tend to translate well to
MS-Word formats. However, I've had problems with the alignment of
automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO and MSW seem to align them

One bigger difference, however, is the way the two formats handle page
formatting. LO uses page styles to change formatting from one page to
another, whereas Word does not. It uses section breaks to make such
page formatting changes, and I've found discrepancies in translating
page formatting between the two.


-----Original Message----- From: Info/UX
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM
To: <>
Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?


Apologies if this is a basic question. I've been given some documents to
format according to certain style guidelines. The files are mostly .docx
and .doc and must be sent off in this format. I work only with
LibreOffice. My questions is, if I format the articles using paragraph
and page styles rather than just directly changing the format in the
body of the document, will the formatting be maintained when the
documents are opened in MS Office? I am not concerned with small
discrepancies that can be tweaked later on, rather whether this method
of formatting generally transfers well. Again, sorry if it's a silly

Many thanks.

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