Re: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc

Hi :)
I suspect that a lot of other programs will also continue to support Doc and as far as possible Rtf 
too but such files will become increasingly difficult over the longer-term.  


It is time to start moving towards Odt for longer-term storage.  Even MSO supports Odt now and that 
format is implemented pretty much exactly as documented making it more of a longer-term prospect 
for anyone that wants to read their own documents in a decade or so.  Doc is possibly the best for 
most collaborative work right now but Odt will probably take over that role too.  

Regards from 

Tom :)  






> ________________________________
> From: Girvin R. Herr <girvin.herr@sbcglobal.net>
> To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> 
> Cc: Rogier F. van Vlissingen <vliscony@gmail.com>; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> <users@global.libreoffice.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 23:36
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ - comments in .doc
>
>
> Whew!  That eases my mind.
> The only problem is that when MSO no longer supports .doc format as an 
> option, then MSO users will no longer have that interchange standard 
> format and we will be at the mercy of whatever proprietary format M$ 
> chooses - again.  I am sure that is by design.
> Thanks.
> Girvin Herr
>
>
>
> On 08/13/2013 11:30 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > Oops, no i meant the Doc format compatibility is kinda fixed now and 
> > can be gently improved on without worrying about what MS are going to 
> > do to it.  The Doc is safe.
> >
> > It's only DocX that is constantly changing to the point where being 
> > more compatible with one version of MSO seems to mean being less 
> > compatible with another.  But even there, maybe it is possible to be 
> > more compatible with all of them?  It's often a LibreOffice or 
> > OpenOffice users in the office that helps people using different 
> > versions of MSO to arrive at something both of them can read happily.
> >
> > Rogier did get me worried for a moment that maybe Doc was not working 
> > quite as well as i hoped but then i realised it's more likely to be 
> > some sort of user-error by one or more of his colleagues.  I find i 
> > suffer from user error quite a bit myself so i can easily imagine how 
> > it happens.
> >
> > I suspect that LO will keep supporting Doc long after MS drop it 
> > completely themselves and i don't think that is likely to happen any 
> > time soon.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >      ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >      *From:* Girvin R. Herr <girvin.herr@sbcglobal.net>
> >      *To:* Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>
> >      *Cc:* Rogier F. van Vlissingen <vliscony@gmail.com>;
> >      "users@global.libreoffice.org" <users@global.libreoffice.org>
> >      *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 18:53
> >      *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ -
> >      comments in .doc
> >
> >
> >      On 08/13/2013 05:27 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> >      > Hi :)
> >      > It's quite likely.  A bug-report is a good idea. An example file
> >      might help.
> >      >
> >      > Btw i assume your MSO users have stuck with some ancient version
> >      of MSO, such as 2007 or something?  I think the compatibility with
> >      2013 is better and that is likely to create problems with
> >      compatibility with older versions of MSO.
> >      This implication concerns me!  If LO is going to drop .doc as a
> >      standard, then my advice to others to use .doc instead of .docx as a
> >      common interchange standard is in jeopardy.  I hope LO never drops
> >      .doc
> >      as a standard.  That said, I had to open a .docx form I received the
> >      other week and LO opened it fine, with the exception of the usual
> >      font
> >      size problems that ran text off the right margin. That was easily
> >      fixed
> >      by changing the font size.
> >      Regards.
> >      Girvin Herr
> >
> >      >
> >      > Are you sure it's .Doc rather than .DocX that is causing the
> >      problem?  Most MSO users have no idea how to save in anything
> >      other than DocX so it's FAR more likely they are sending you DocX
> >      files and not even realising it or even believing they are sending
> >      Doc because they just don't really know what they are using and
> >      just jumping on the last name they vaguely recognise.  Windows
> >      tries to hide the endings so they really don't know what they are
> >      using most of the time.
> >      >
> >      > Doc itself is being deprecated in order to push people into
> >      using the newer DocX and thus forcing people to buy newer versions
> >      of MSO even if it's to do exactly the same work that MSO 2003 and
> >      earlier could do.
> >      > Regards from
> >      > Tom :)
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >> ________________________________
> >      >> From: Rogier F. van Vlissingen <vliscony@gmail.com
> >      <mailto:vliscony@gmail.com>>
> >      >> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >      <mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org>
> >      >> Sent: Tuesday, 13 August 2013, 12:27
> >      >> Subject: [libreoffice-users] MS file compatibility in 4.0+ -
> >      comments in .doc
> >      >>
> >      >>
> >      >> Ever since 4.0 I have had increasing problems with file
> >      compatibility with
> >      >> MSO...
> >      >>
> >      >> Currently I am working on a project with MSO users and when I
> >      open a .doc
> >      >> which contains any comments, what happens is the last character
> >      BEFORE the
> >      >> comment anchor is reduced in font size, and therefore when you
> >      delete the
> >      >> comment, you now have to go into the text to fix the font size.
> >      >>
> >      >> Anyone had the same? I think it's time for a bug report.
> >      >>
> >      >> --
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