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Hi :)  
Ahhh, Ubuntu keeps finding new ways of hiding the workspaces.  The 
Ctrl Alt arrows
is good to know!  Thanks :)  I tend to use each one for a different purpose so i use
1.  for web-browsing and emailing
2.  for image editing, tracking where logos are in logos or posters folders, trying to get them to 
the right places
3.  for web-design, html editing
4.  for sys admin stuff, ssh'ing, long downloads/uploads
On a fairly confusing day i might have stuff going on in 3 and on a really "bad hair day" all 4, 
but i try to avoid that.  It's more useful when i can see the workspace switcher.  That way i can 
see tiny miniatures of windows open in which of the spaces.  So,  when i completely forget what i 
am doing it's kinda easy to check what type of day it's been so far.  

Even though the taskbar/launcher/panel only shows what is going on in the current workspace if i am 
in workspace 3 and click on the firefox icon then it whizzes me around so i'm in 1.  Hmm, bad 
example because if i've got firefox open in 2 or more workspaces then clicking on it goes nowhere.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  

From: Tim Lloyd <>
Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 23:36
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse

Hi Regina,

welcome to the wonderful world of linux. Feel free to ask questions as 
there is a learning curve :)

I am not familiar with Suse but most linux flavours have a few 
consistencies. Not strictly answering your question but my thoughts:

1. With linux you are likely to have a number of workspaces and you can
    navigate left to right by using CTRL-ALT-Right Arrow or Left Arrow
2. I normally dedicate a workspace to LO (in my case workspace 4)
3. When I go to the desktop menu I can select the "Office" TAB and
    select (eg.) LibreOffice Writer which opens a blank document
4. F4 to close this document
5. the LO start center should appear on your desktop
6. I just leave the start center in that workspace whenever I need to
    use it

Now a couple of qualifiers:

I guess you are using KDE and I am not familiar with how you access the 
menu in step 3 (according to the doco there should be an "office" icon 
at the top of the screen - I am guessing you are not seeing that)
Normally the "office" tab will have a libreoffice option which removes 
the need to open up a blank doc. A well intentioned update to 4.1 is 
causing a bit of strife in this regard.

Hope this helps


On 08/10/2013 06:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
to normally installing from repos and the rest of your advice was & is all good too.
Regards from
Tom :)

From: Sina Momken <>
Cc: Regina Henschel <>; "" 
Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 20:08
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse

Hello Davies,

In the case of LO you're right and manual install will not cause any issue.
But as a typical user of Linux I prefer installing applications from the
default or 3rd party repo. Because this way is easier and mainly because
of AUTOMATIC UPDATE capability.
But many members of this list (like you and Regina) are more than just
typical users of Linux and are somehow professional LO users. Therefore
in this case you're right and manual install can be a good option too.
Anyway it's up to you.


On 08/09/2013 09:01 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
This is all true but LibreOffice and Evolution are exceptions because most repos have such 
older versions that most people want to upgrade.

LO has some tweaks for different DEs (that's what the desktop integration is about (i think)) 
and so mostly it's preferable to have the more advanced features rather than just a slightly 
nicer looking one.  LO looks quite nice enough from the site as it is.  Also i don't think 
there is a problem with dependency issues.  Mostly the package managers take care of all that 
although some distros make that quite tough (not looking at anyone in particular Girvin 
(Slackware right?)).  I think you state that in point 3 so i am just agreeing there.  There is 
not much danger of the problems in 4 although it's theoretically possible.

So i think you raise over-complicated points that are not really relevant.  Since most of the 
rest of us also do that quite often you are in the right place :)  Welcome in too! :D
Regards from
Tom :)

From: Sina Momken <>
To: Regina Henschel <>
Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 15:40
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse

On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
Hi all,

I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my
old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive,
unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme.
Hello Regina,
I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the
Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install,
manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos:
1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can
always be updated without the need to download and update your
applications one by one.
2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may
know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually
install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries
which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it
leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other
applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible
e.g. gnome 3.8).
3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb
(for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all
dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it
allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade
4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually
download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then
follow the inner instructions to install it. There is a convention to
install manually installed software to /opt (abbreviation for optional)
to differentiate them from software installed from repos. Not only you
can not automatically update software installed with this method, but
also the software may not work properly due to inconsistencies.
5- Windows applications usually solve the inconsistency problem by
installing most of their needed libraries again. This solution usually
ends to applications which occupy huge size on the disk, which is mostly

Therefore I recommend you to install your desired application (e.g.
libreoffice) from OpenSuse repository directly. It seems that the latest
version of LO in OpenSuse 12.3 official repo is 3.6.3. So if you want to
install the latest version of LO, you can use 3rd party repos specific
to OpenSuse. I could find two 3rd party repos for LO for OpenSuse 12.3:
1. Repo named LO Stable with version 4.0.3 with URL
2. Repo named LO Unstable with version 4.1.0 with URL

These repos must update automatically when newer version of LO come out
and so you can update your installed LO in the future only with some
clicks, no more efforts.

For instructions on how to add a repository see:

For the list of all official, semi-official and 3rd party repos see:

I can get the single modules from the application launcher, but there
remain two
The instruction mention a directory "desktop-integration" to be in the
folder RPMS, but there is no such directory.
I want to get an icon on the desktop, which launches the start center,
not a specific module. How do I get that?

Kind regards

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