Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse

Hi Regina,

welcome to the wonderful world of linux. Feel free to ask questions as 
there is a learning curve :)

I am not familiar with Suse but most linux flavours have a few 
consistencies. Not strictly answering your question but my thoughts:

1. With linux you are likely to have a number of workspaces and you can
   navigate left to right by using CTRL-ALT-Right Arrow or Left Arrow
2. I normally dedicate a workspace to LO (in my case workspace 4)
3. When I go to the desktop menu I can select the "Office" TAB and
   select (eg.) LibreOffice Writer which opens a blank document
4. F4 to close this document
5. the LO start center should appear on your desktop
6. I just leave the start center in that workspace whenever I need to
   use it

Now a couple of qualifiers:

I guess you are using KDE and I am not familiar with how you access the 
menu in step 3 (according to the doco there should be an "office" icon 
at the top of the screen - I am guessing you are not seeing that)
Normally the "office" tab will have a libreoffice option which removes 
the need to open up a blank doc. A well intentioned update to 4.1 is 
causing a bit of strife in this regard.

Hope this helps

Tim




On 08/10/2013 06:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> +1
> to normally installing from repos and the rest of your advice was & is all good too.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Sina Momken <digitsm@gmail.com>
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Cc: Regina Henschel <rb.henschel@t-online.de>; "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
> > <users@global.libreoffice.org>
> > Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 20:08
> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
> >
> >
> > Hello Davies,
> >
> > In the case of LO you're right and manual install will not cause any issue.
> > But as a typical user of Linux I prefer installing applications from the
> > default or 3rd party repo. Because this way is easier and mainly because
> > of AUTOMATIC UPDATE capability.
> > But many members of this list (like you and Regina) are more than just
> > typical users of Linux and are somehow professional LO users. Therefore
> > in this case you're right and manual install can be a good option too.
> > Anyway it's up to you.
> >
> > Best,
> >     Sina
> >
> >
> >
> > On 08/09/2013 09:01 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > Hi :)
> > > This is all true but LibreOffice and Evolution are exceptions because most repos have such older 
> > > versions that most people want to upgrade.
> > >
> > > LO has some tweaks for different DEs (that's what the desktop integration is about (i think)) and 
> > > so mostly it's preferable to have the more advanced features rather than just a slightly nicer 
> > > looking one.  LO looks quite nice enough from the site as it is.  Also i don't think there is a 
> > > problem with dependency issues.  Mostly the package managers take care of all that although some 
> > > distros make that quite tough (not looking at anyone in particular Girvin (Slackware right?)).  I 
> > > think you state that in point 3 so i am just agreeing there.  There is not much danger of the 
> > > problems in 4 although it's theoretically possible.
> > >
> > > So i think you raise over-complicated points that are not really relevant.  Since most of the rest 
> > > of us also do that quite often you are in the right place :)  Welcome in too! :D
> > > Regards from
> > > Tom :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Sina Momken <digitsm@gmail.com>
> > > > To: Regina Henschel <rb.henschel@t-online.de>
> > > > Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > Sent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 15:40
> > > > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing 4.1 on OpenSuse
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 08/09/2013 03:22 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I make my first steps in using Linux and have got a OpenSuse 12.3 on my
> > > > > old Notebook. Now I try to install LO4.1. I have download the archive,
> > > > > unpacked it and followed the instructions in its readme.
> > > > Hello Regina,
> > > > I appreciate your efforts to shift to Free Software. However in the
> > > > Linux world unlike in Windows most users use Repositories to install,
> > > > manage and update applications. There are many advantages of using repos:
> > > > 1- The repo itself tracks latest version of applications and so you can
> > > > always be updated without the need to download and update your
> > > > applications one by one.
> > > > 2- All packages in a repo are consistent with each other. As you may
> > > > know many packages depend on others (i.e. libraries); When you manually
> > > > install a software which is not in repo, it may need some libraries
> > > > which are not present and so the software may not work properly or it
> > > > leads to upgrade of those libraries which may break some other
> > > > applications (in case the library upgrade is not backward compatible
> > > > e.g. gnome 3.8).
> > > > 3- You can download and install a .rpm (for fedora and suse) or .deb
> > > > (for ubuntu and debian) file of a software. In this case all
> > > > dependencies will be checked and only if no incompatibility exists it
> > > > allows installation. This method is safer but it lacks automatic upgrade
> > > > feature.
> > > > 4- Mostly professional users and usually for specific purposes manually
> > > > download archive (.tar.gz) of a software from its website and then
> > > > follow the inner instructions to install it. There is a convention to
> > > > install manually installed software to /opt (abbreviation for optional)
> > > > to differentiate them from software installed from repos. Not only you
> > > > can not automatically update software installed with this method, but
> > > > also the software may not work properly due to inconsistencies.
> > > > 5- Windows applications usually solve the inconsistency problem by
> > > > installing most of their needed libraries again. This solution usually
> > > > ends to applications which occupy huge size on the disk, which is mostly
> > > > redundant.
> > > >
> > > > Therefore I recommend you to install your desired application (e.g.
> > > > libreoffice) from OpenSuse repository directly. It seems that the latest
> > > > version of LO in OpenSuse 12.3 official repo is 3.6.3. So if you want to
> > > > install the latest version of LO, you can use 3rd party repos specific
> > > > to OpenSuse. I could find two 3rd party repos for LO for OpenSuse 12.3:
> > > > 1. Repo named LO Stable with version 4.0.3 with URL
> > > > http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_12.3/
> > > > 2. Repo named LO Unstable with version 4.1.0 with URL
> > > > http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Unstable/openSUSE_12.3/
> > > >
> > > > These repos must update automatically when newer version of LO come out
> > > > and so you can update your installed LO in the future only with some
> > > > clicks, no more efforts.
> > > >
> > > > For instructions on how to add a repository see:
> > > > http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Add_package_repositories
> > > >
> > > > For the list of all official, semi-official and 3rd party repos see:
> > > > http://en.opensuse.org/Package_repositories
> > > > http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories#LibreOffice_STABLE
> > > >
> > > > > I can get the single modules from the application launcher, but there
> > > > remain two
> > > > > problems.
> > > > > (1)
> > > > > The instruction mention a directory "desktop-integration" to be in the
> > > > > folder RPMS, but there is no such directory.
> > > > > (2)
> > > > > I want to get an icon on the desktop, which launches the start center,
> > > > > not a specific module. How do I get that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards
> > > > > Regina
> > > >
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