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Hi All,

Haven't had a chance to test in LO 4.1 beta, but I was hoping someone
could at least confirm that they are getting the same results in 4.0 or
prior, and maybe even someone with 4.1 could comment on if it is still


Regina, you said you weren't getting the weird formatting in your
version, but can you confirm the behaviour as regards the moving of the
space in your version?

Many thanks


On Wed, 10 Jul 2013 02:11:26 +0200
Paul <> wrote:

Hi Regina,

Terribly sorry about the delay in following up on your suggestions. I
didn't mean to just disappear like that. It's been a bit hectic here,
and I haven't had time to try with LibreOffice 4.1 beta yet, but I've
tried a couple of other things.

Firstly, I tried formatting the cell as a plain number, with
' " / hour"' after the default format, so the complete format is
#,###.00 " / hour"

This got changed over the save to
#,###.00"  / hour"

Again, the space was removed in front of the quotes, and added
behind. Other than that, the "hour" wasn't mangled, I'm assuming that
the mangling is only because of interpreting it as currency symbols.

When I removed the extra space behind the quotes, but left it without
a space in front, it preserved that over saves, i.e. the following
worked fine over saves
#,###.00" / hour"

This is still rejected when I change to currency format.

Next, I looked at my locale settings. Under Tools|Options|Language
Settings|Languages I have the following:
Language of
    User interface: Default - English (USA)
    Locale setting: Default - English (South Africa)
    Decimal separator key: checked : Same as locale setting (.)
    Default currency: Default - ZAR
    Date acceptance patterns: Y/M/D;M/D
Default languages for documents
    Western: English (South Africa)
    Asian: greyed out : Default - Chinese (simplified)
    CTL: greyed out : Default - Hindi
    For the current document only: not checked
Enhanced language support
    Show UI elements for East Asian writings: not checked
    Show UI elements for Bi-Directional writing: not checked
    Ignore system input language: not checked

I tried changing the default locale setting to "English (USA)", which
also changed the currency and date settings. When I added ' " / hour"'
it again moved the space from in front of the quotes to inside the
quotes over saves. But now this doesn't mangle anything, I'm
guessing because it's using a dollar sign instead of an "R" as the
currency symbol. Changing the symbol to "R" by changing the format
code from "[$$-409]" to "[$R-409]" works if the locale is "English
(USA)". When the locale is "Default - English (South Africa)",
changing the currency symbol by changing "[$R-1C09]" to "[$$-1C09]"
doesn't help matters.

I also noticed that with a space either in front of the quotes or
moved inside the quotes to give a double space before the slash, two
spaces are shown before the slash in the actual cell. So the only way
to get only one space between the number and the slash in the cell is
to have only one space, either in front of the qoutes or inside the
quotes, but not both.

It feels like there are two bugs, the first is that over saves LO
doesn't preserve the space before the quotes, and moves it inside the
quotes, irrespective of locale, and the second is that when there is
no space before the quotes, the letters inside the quotes get
interpreted as control codes instead of as literal text, and this
interpretation depends on locale.

There was also some strange behavior when entering just a plain number
format, not currency. If I tried to enter a new number format by
adding spaces inside the quotes, without a space in front of the
quotes, say by setting the format to '#,###.00" / hour"' and then
adding spaces to make it '#,###.00"   / hour"', the moment it became
a new format (one I hadn't used before), the preview changed to just
displaying the number, without any formatting, and if I clicked OK,
this carried over to the cell and reset the format to
'#,##0 ;(#,##0)'. If, however, I didn't click OK when the preview
reset, and instead added a space before the quotes, the preview
suddenly became correct, and I could then remove the space in front
of the quotes and it would stay correct. Once I pressed OK this
format would get saved, and I could use it again without it getting
messed up. Likewise if I added a format with, say, 5 spaces in the
quotes and no space before the quotes, in this way, then went to cell
formatting again and removed a space to four spaces, this didn't get
messed up. But if I removed another space, to 3 spaces, which is a
format I had previously used, then added a space, the format would
get messed up again. It seems that there is some format
interpretation going on behind the scenes when a space is added that
is not going on when a space is removed.

I think someone needs to have a careful look at how this section of
the code is operating, there are subtle bugs in it.

I will try to install the beta as soon as I can, and will test again
and report back.

Thanks again for the help


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