Re: [libreoffice-users] Java

Hi :)
I think Dan's point is key.  

If you don't seem to need it then don't use it.  I thik that's a good general rule.  A bit like if 
no-one is in the kitchen then why have the lights on in there?  

Micheal Meeks was saying that it's still ok to write Extensions in Java but you are not writing 
Extensions.  You are like me, just a normal user.  His advice does seem to contradict everything i 
am hearing about Java at the moment.  The devs seem to have put a lot of effort into reducing the 
amount of Java to the point where most users are unlikely to ever need it.  

However, Micheal is one of the lead devs and well respected so he is much more likely to really 
know what is really going on whereas my information is 2nd or 3rd hand and i'm not a dev so i could 
easily be missing some crucial points.  I think maybe i was a bit too harsh about blaming Oracle 
for all of Java's problems.  Maybe it was horribly broken before or that currrent problems were 
inevitable or maybe reported problems are over-stated.  

I switched Java off months ago and had no problems so i finally uninstalled it around December and 
still had no problems.  I think that is the best route.  Removing Java completely could be 
troublesome so it's best to have a trial-period of seeing if you can do without it before 
uninstalling it.  You probably wouldn't take the bulb out of the kitchen light just because you 
didn't think you would go into the kitchen at night.  It appears that Homeland Security in the US 
are recommending people uninstall it but that could be a bogus report and even if not then it seems 
they may not have considered the implications for normal or corporate users.  

A couple of machines at my place where Java is still installed grumble when i open Firefox now, 
roughly since the Homeland Security report apparently.  Firefox now offers to update various 
plugins and things such as Adobe Flash-Player, Adobe Reader(?!) and Java but then tells me it's 
automatically blocked Java for me anyway.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  



--- On Fri, 22/3/13, anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Java
> To: "Dan" <elderdanlewis@gmail.com>
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Friday, 22 March, 2013, 17:56
>        Well,
> I guess I don't need it/them since any program I open seems
> to
> work fine -
>            except the A-V
> program every so often pops up stating my system
> is in-secure due to some items not being up-dated  ;-)
>                 [I
> click to see to what they're referring - it's the
> disabled java - maybe its not completely disabled, huh 
> ;-) ]
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Dan Lewis <elderdanlewis@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>       What are you using in LibreOffice that
> requires Java? Is there
> > something that you would like to use that requires
> Java? If so, by all
> > means update and enable it. Otherwise don't do anything
> about it.
> >       I have Java enabled because I work
> with Base much of the time. (It
> > requires Java.) Otherwise, I probably would not need it
> myself.
> > --Dan
> >
> >
> > On 03/22/2013 11:06 AM, anne-ology wrote:
> >
> > >          Yikes, now
> I'm confused; yes, again  ;-)
> > >          I've had java
> disabled on this machine; but maybe its time to
> > > re-enable it - updating it  ;-)
> > >
> > >          Tom, do you
> know more re. java ...
> > >               or
> Michael, do you know something more re. this.
> > >          Eagerly
> awaiting to hear what to do re. this java;
> > >               and
> please remember I don't comprehend computerese  ;-)
> > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Michael Meeks
> <michael.meeks@suse.com
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 11:27 +0000, Tom Davies
> wrote:
> > > > > Now that Oracle are in charge of developing
> it Java seems to be
> > > > > increasing as a security risk.
> > > >           You're
> smoking some good stuff here Tom ;-> Oracle are no doubt
> > > > improving the situation they inherited in Java
> just fine. Last I heard
> > > > rumour that RedHat were stepping up to support
> older versions too.
> > > >           It's a
> sensible thing to use Java for writing cross-platform
> > > > LibreOffice extensions. The only problem we
> have is with writing core
> > > > functionality in Java - since we can't be sure
> of the presence of a
> > > > suitable JVM on Windows machines.
> > > >
> > > >           HTH,
> > > >
> > > >              
>     Michael.
> > > > --
> > > > michael.meeks@suse.com 
> <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot
> > > >
>
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