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Re: [libreoffice-users] Java

anne-ology <laginnis -AT- gmail.com>
Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:40:20 -0500

       Thanks.



On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Girvin R. Herr
<girvin.herr@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

I disabled Java (not Javascript) in my Firefox with no apparent

consequences.
I may also note that Slackware Linux no longer packages Java with their
latest release (14.0), as they have done in the past.  I read from the
S14.0 "Changes and Hints.txt" file: "jre - removed due to licensing
issues".  ("jre" is Java Runtime Environment.)  Not supplying Java is a
sign to me that it is not needed.  Slackware has always been strict about
bundling Open Source GPL software with their Linux distributions.
Girvin Herr


Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think Dan's point is key.
If you don't seem to need it then don't use it.  I thik that's a good
general rule.  A bit like if no-one is in the kitchen then why have the
lights on in there?
Micheal Meeks was saying that it's still ok to write Extensions in Java
but you are not writing Extensions.  You are like me, just a normal user.
 His advice does seem to contradict everything i am hearing about Java at
the moment.  The devs seem to have put a lot of effort into reducing the
amount of Java to the point where most users are unlikely to ever need it.
However, Micheal is one of the lead devs and well respected so he is much
more likely to really know what is really going on whereas my information
is 2nd or 3rd hand and i'm not a dev so i could easily be missing some
crucial points.  I think maybe i was a bit too harsh about blaming Oracle
for all of Java's problems.  Maybe it was horribly broken before or that
currrent problems were inevitable or maybe reported problems are
over-stated.
I switched Java off months ago and had no problems so i finally
uninstalled it around December and still had no problems.  I think that is
the best route.  Removing Java completely could be troublesome so it's best
to have a trial-period of seeing if you can do without it before
uninstalling it.  You probably wouldn't take the bulb out of the kitchen
light just because you didn't think you would go into the kitchen at night.
 It appears that Homeland Security in the US are recommending people
uninstall it but that could be a bogus report and even if not then it seems
they may not have considered the implications for normal or corporate
users.
A couple of machines at my place where Java is still installed grumble
when i open Firefox now, roughly since the Homeland Security report
apparently.  Firefox now offers to update various plugins and things such
as Adobe Flash-Player, Adobe Reader(?!) and Java but then tells me it's
automatically blocked Java for me anyway.
Regards from Tom :)

From: anne-ology <laginnis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Java
To: "Dan" <elderdanlewis@gmail.com>
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 22 March, 2013, 17:56
       Well,
I guess I don't need it/them since any program I open seems
to
work fine -
           except the A-V
program every so often pops up stating my system
is in-secure due to some items not being up-dated  ;-)
                [I
click to see to what they're referring - it's the
disabled java - maybe its not completely disabled, huh ;-) ]



On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Dan Lewis <elderdanlewis@gmail.com>
wrote:

      What are you using in LibreOffice that
requires Java? Is there

something that you would like to use that requires

Java? If so, by all

means update and enable it. Otherwise don't do anything

about it.

      I have Java enabled because I work

with Base much of the time. (It

requires Java.) Otherwise, I probably would not need it

myself.

--Dan


On 03/22/2013 11:06 AM, anne-ology wrote:

         Yikes, now

I'm confused; yes, again  ;-)

         I've had java

disabled on this machine; but maybe its time to

re-enable it - updating it  ;-)


         Tom, do you

know more re. java ...

or

Michael, do you know something more re. this.

         Eagerly

awaiting to hear what to do re. this java;

and

please remember I don't comprehend computerese  ;-)

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Michael Meeks

<michael.meeks@suse.com

wrote:

Hi Tom,

On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 11:27 +0000, Tom Davies

wrote:

Now that Oracle are in charge of developing

it Java seems to be

increasing as a security risk.

          You're

smoking some good stuff here Tom ;-> Oracle are no doubt

improving the situation they inherited in Java

just fine. Last I heard

rumour that RedHat were stepping up to support

older versions too.

          It's a

sensible thing to use Java for writing cross-platform

LibreOffice extensions. The only problem we

have is with writing core

functionality in Java - since we can't be sure

of the presence of a

suitable JVM on Windows machines.


          HTH,

    Michael.

--

michael.meeks@suse.com

<><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot


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