Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [MariaDB Announce] MariaDB 5.5.30 now available

On 03/14/2013 02:08 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
> Jay Lozier wrote:
> > On 03/13/2013 07:12 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
> > > Jay Lozier wrote:
> > > > On 03/13/2013 02:47 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote:
> > > > > Dan,
> > > > > That is another issue.  It is good that you were able to get MySQL 
> > > > > back when you needed it.  I think what I read was that Mariadb 
> > > > > changed the database itself somehow, making it incompatible with 
> > > > > MySQL.  Thus, all the work done on it with Mariadb was lost from 
> > > > > the last MySQL-compatible database backup.  That is scary - lost 
> > > > > data.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just went searching again for where I read this caveat and came 
> > > > > up with this posting by "ppr:kut" to LinuxQuestions.org on 1-31-13:
> > > > >
> > > > >    "I'm not sure what problems you imagine, but I'm not aware of any
> > > > >    issues. You wouldn't be able to switch easily from MariaDB back to
> > > > >    MySQL once you start using MariaDB specific features, but that's
> > > > >    clear from the start."
> > > > >
> > > > > You can find this message and others on:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/replace-mysql-with-mariadb-in-slackware-4175447832/ 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that I read it again, it sounds like they might be talking 
> > > > > about Mariadb user features, not database compatibility.  Kind of 
> > > > > like someone who moves from msoffice to LO can't go back because 
> > > > > they like the LO features.  I would like to know if anyone has 
> > > > > tried to go back to MySQL from using Mariadb and how *physically* 
> > > > > successful it was.
> > > > > Sorry about the confusion.
> > > > > Girvin
> > > > Girvin, Dan
> > > >
> > > > I once "updated" from MariaDB 5.5.x to MySQL 5.5.y then to MariaDB 
> > > > 5.5.y. I use MariaDB via localhost and found that the permissions 
> > > > are different. MariaDB default allows apps like MySQL Workbench to 
> > > > do bulk data inserts from files while MySQL does not. With MySQL I 
> > > > had to use the CLI version to do the inserts. I was unable to set 
> > > > the permissions in MySQL to allow MySQL Workbench to do bulk data 
> > > > inserts.
> > > >
> > > > I am using Linux Mint Maya / 13. 64 bit. I have not yet tried the 
> > > > MySQL Connector and Base (LO 4.0.0.3). This might be an issue 
> > > > between the two forks.
> > > >
> > > > Jay
> > > Jay,
> > > Thanks for the information.  I will file it away for the time I 
> > > migrate to mariadb. So, let me get this straight - the mariadb 
> > > server allows the MySQL apps to work better than with the MySQL 
> > > server?!  That is amusing.
> > > For the record, I am using Slackware 12.2 32-bit and the 
> > > mysql-connector-java with LO 3.6.4.3.
> > > Thanks again.
> > > Girvin
> > I remember seeing (MySQL website?) where the change was made by MySQL 
> > to not allow this by default for security reasons while MariaDB 
> > maintained the old permissions. What is puzzling to me is that many 
> > who use MySQL or MariaDB via localhost are doing development or 
> > off-line database work and are not using remote access. I understand 
> > requiring tighter permissions if the database can be manipulated 
> > remotely to avoid major problems.
> >
> > What was odd, I could issue TRUNCATE database but INSERT LOCAL FILE 
> > 'sdf.csv' etc would fail. I would think the opposite would be 
> > preferable.
> I have been noticing how paranoid MySQL has been getting.  That 
> paranoia has a place, but for those of us who have local-only 
> databases on a firewalled LAN, it would be nice to ease up on that 
> paranoia and get more functionality.  Now I hear that MySQL 5.5+ no 
> longer uses localhost as the older versions did.  It virtually takes 
> over localhost bind functionality, all in the name of greater 
> security.  Good grief!  I will find out soon.  I am in the process of 
> upgrading to Slackware 14.0 which comes with MySQL 5.5.
> Girvin
      I do not think it is any more paranoid than usual. To get remote 
access to the server, one line of its configuration file (my.cnf) had to 
be altered for 5.1. Version 5.5 requires one line to be commented out 
using a #. So, I really don't understand what you mean by localhost bind 
functionality.
     I have been using 5.5 since I installed Ubutu 12.04 late last 
spring or early summer without any problems other than connecting to the 
server remotely. But I may not have been using all the functionalities 
that you use. I am a little new to MySQL as it is. (I did have 5.1 
running before I installed Ubuntu 12.04 though.)
     I'm not sure I understand either what the "added" security 
measures are that bother you.

--Dan

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