Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice

Hi :)
+1
In my country there is a saying "a miss is as good as a mile".  I do kinda agree with Dennis about 
the point that using xml in a zip-file format is a bit like using a red pen on paper.  Just because 
2 people use the same tools doesn't mean the result will be very similar. 

Regards from
Tom :)  






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> From: VA <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
> To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org; users@global.libreoffice.org 
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2012, 21:12
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
>
> What I find maddening is that two document formats can be so similar, and yet remain so different. 
> As Maxwell Smart would say, "missed by THAT much."
>
> Virgil
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Dennis E. Hamilton
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:27 PM
> To: 'VA' ; 'Pedro' ; users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
>
> I don't understand the maddening aspect of this reaction.  I suppose I don't have to.
>
> When ODF was developed at OASIS, one of the design points was to be based on the functionality of 
> OpenOffice 1.x as it was at the time, starting from an XML format that was developed for that 
> product.  It was explicitly ruled out of scope for the format to have counterparts of Microsoft 
> Office document features.
>
> When OOXML was developed, using the Open Packaging Conventions that were already used by Microsoft 
> for a different project, a critical goal was to have fidelity-preserving, convertible features of 
> legacy Microsoft Office documents.  There is also a strict version that doesn't include so much of 
> the legacy accommodation and has some better feature provisions going forward.
>
> There you have it.  ODF 1.0 then ODF 1.1 and now ODF 1.2.  Also, OOXML versions 1 through 3 (so 
> far), although ODF changed more from ODF 1.1 to ODF 1.2 (because of the addition of OpenFormula) 
> than anything that happened to OOXML since the ISO OOXML version.
>
> Neither of these are DocBook (an XML document format) or DITA or any other XML-carried document 
> format.  None of that is surprising in any technical way: XML is not a document format, it is a 
> markup format for extending and customizing into any number of document models and schemas.  XML 
> by itself (unlike HTML, yet-another document format) doesn't establish any kind of document format 
> whatsoever.
>
> There was an ISO working group looking into the harmonization of document formats, especially with 
> what could make better portability among OOXML-based and ODF-based software.  A recent report on 
> the subject is rather interesting.  Look at 
> <http://www.interoperability-center.com/en/dokumenten-iop-lab>.  The final report on Document 
> Profiling and a White Paper on Document Interoperability are listed in the "Publications" sidebar.
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VA [mailto:cuyfalls@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 06:56
> To: Pedro; users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
>
> This is utterly maddening.
>
> Based on Pedro's post, I ran a simple test. I created a document in Word
> (.docx) and an identical document in LibO (.odt). I saved them both and then
> extracted their contents using 7-zip Manager. I was amazed at how similar
> the two document contents were, and yet how different. Neither document had
> any of the binary smilie faces I've come to expect by opening a .doc
> document in a text editor. All of the individual files contained formatting
> codes in simple text. And, yet...
>
> The maddening part is how two programs can create the same type of documents
> (xml files saved in a zipped format) and yet remain so completely different.
>
> [ ... ]
>
>
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