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I was mistaken as to which version of MO I learnt to use as a 5 year
old. It was MO 2000 not 2003. I am 16 not 14 also!

On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, at 10:10 PM, Dan wrote:
Dan wrote:
T Hopkins wrote:
The ribbon interface is definitely MO's big vulnerability.

I would also argue that continuing development and promotion of Base is important.  In
particular, decreasing the accessibility curve and making the usefulness of Base more
apparent to users.

Cheers, tod

Tod Hopkins Hillmann & Carr Inc.

      I agree. But where are the people who are willing to write the Base Guide? This takes 
time. I have been
working on this project since OOo 2.0. (OK, I may be rather slow.) I just completed a rewrite 
of chapter 2
this afternoon. Rewrites of Ch 3 & 4 should take less time. Furthermore, there are very few 
volunteers to
review my work. Then they need to be proof read for grammar, spelling, etc.


      Addendum: The first four chapters for the Base Guide in draft form
      are available at
These were written for OOo 3.3.0. For LO, chapter 1 has already been


On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:13 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 08/09/2012 02:43 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
On 08/08/12 22:26, T Hopkins wrote:
The difference in cost of the initial license, when considered from the full
deployment/productivity calculation of an IT manager, is often not the deciding
factor. The primary cost of changing software is not the license, but
installation, configuration, training, and lost productivity during conversion.

The total costs of all that would be FAR lower by converting from Office 2003 or
any of its predecessors to LO compared to converting to Office 2007/2010.....users
could at least get going almost immediately with LO whereas the new ribbon seemed
to be almost unfathomable to a lot of people, so yes, going from one version of MS
Office to a SIMILAR version (as in Office XP to Office 2003 or Office 2007 to 2010)
I agree. Going from a menu-based Office to a ribbon-based Office no, I don't

AFAIK, MSO 2007/2010 are the only major packages that use the ribbon interface. All
other recent Windows software I have seen still uses the traditional menus. IMHO most
users can adapt to a reasonable menu layout fairly quickly; it is more about finding
how to access a command than fighting the interface and finding the command.

I would expect most users could "learn" the LO fairly quickly because it is same
familiar menu style interface they are using on most packages.

The total cost to install includes rolling out the software to the users. If a
company is not planning a major office suite roll out then converting to any other
suite will not occur. The ideal time to convert an organization is when they are
planning to replace their current suite. Then the a comparison of all costs makes

-- Jay Lozier

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