Re: [libreoffice-users] Gun fight at the LibO coral

Hi :)
There is more complexity than is obvious here.  Timi has asked for help a number 
of times and not been helped with getting sound working in Impress.  


He wants to use LO but is blocked and no-one is helping him.  He is afraid that 
he will have to return to MSO because apparently no-one knows how to get sound 
links working in Impress.  Perhaps it can't be done.  Perhaps Impress 
presentations can't have sound at all in any format.  


This involves a loss of face for him.  His work colleagues say he was a fool for 
trying OpenSource but he has put a lot of time & effort into getting it 
working.  Because Impress doesn't work with sound at all (apparently) he has to 
return to using PowerPoint which is slow.  People who advertise OpenSource often 
claim it is faster and that support is better but to him and his colleagues the 
opposite has been proven and Timi will suffer for that but so will LO.

So far while Timi came here asking for help quite a long time ago now all that 
the community has done is to either ignore him or attack him, even bully him, 
but certainly not help him.

Our documentation team is very tiny with most of the work being done by only 
about 4 people.  Even in OOo there is very little documentation about Impress 
but our documentation team is trying to get around to working on it.  They do 
have other, more urgent priorities tho.

So, this whole situation, each part of it,  is not the fault of any 1 individual 
but has been  an unfortunate combination.  


Regards from
Tom :)





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From: Bruce Summitt <u.nix.this@gmail.com>
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 29 April, 2011 19:17:28
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Gun fight at the LibO coral

It was not my intent to start a fight as the term "Gunfight" suggests,
though I expected this outcome. I regret having stepped on the toes of
proprietary fundamentalists. But I am not the one who threw the first swing.

It is my experience that those most willing to fight have never had to take
it to its final conclusion. I have. It is not pretty nor fun. It is serious
business.

People all have issues with all manner of things. However, flying off the
handle and attacking a group of people who are trying to help over a group
of people who can't slow down long enough to follow the instructions that
were given to solve their issue is hardly constructive.

I don't know the answer to your mp3 issue. I've never had the need to
perform your desired task. I'd like to learn. But I don't care anything
about reading a temper tantrum tirade because someone didn't get what they
wanted when they wanted it. Good will is in such short supply today because
people abuse it.

I wish now that I had continued my long standing practice of laughing at
such behavior and moving on. I have always wondered why those who lash out
at others object when they are responded to in kind. It boggles the mind!

Corporations and those who support them are the makers of war. Just ask one
of the most highly decorated US Marines, Smedley
Butler<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler>.
He stated that as a Marine he was little more than a thug for corporate
domination. But that is another story. Suffice it to say that I would work
with people over corporations any day. After all, corporations merely steal
from people and then charge other people for it!

I monitor these lists in hopes of actually learning something. I realize
that I might actually have to think, think for myself, and DO something. But
I get satisfaction from doing it and from doing it myself. And I appreciate
any community help that I might receive along the way.

And I have another issue here as well: it is Summitt, just as I spelled it.
It's an American Civil War thing. (And I'm sure I know my own name better
than you). But that, too, would be a history lesson and I don't think that
any of us are here for that.

I will not disrupt this list again. If you or anyone else wish to attack me
again for your having first attacked this list, I will simply unsubscribe (I
know how to) and come back another day. This list is here to help; not to
suffer the insults of imbeciles. I don't really need the list anyway. I
manage just fine. I can always learn. And I can try to help. But I can learn
elsewhere and NOT help those who only wish to war.

I am so happy that LO forked from Oracle. And I thank the community, too.
But I'll no longer bicker with takers who only give back insults and injury.
I CAN. I just choose not to.

Have a nice day.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:01 AM, <timi@iafrica.com> wrote:

> Bruce (Summit)
>
> Maybe you could come out of the woodwork one last time and attack my
> specific Impress
> problem...
>
> (a) It loses links between "interaction -play sound" and the MP 3 file....
> annoying if you hv
> over 400 files linked and they all vanish without warning. No skin off your
> nose but a *****
> waste of my time.
>
> (b) Impress can't convert to .xls without all icon to sound file links
> being removed/destroyed.
> Hopeless as a business tool (at least under XP system). May shock you but
> many people
> world wide use MS powerpoint and some of us have to communicate.
>
> With all your apparent background surely you could encourage someone to
> stick a filter into
> the forum that diverts un-subscribe to somewhere else...
>
> Service delivery is why people get attracted to products...... or is that
> simply old fashioned?
>
> If I understand you, you are basically saying that if something is
> "freeware" such as LibO then
> don't bitch if it screws up.......... fine if it were a file converter or
> something but when you enter
> the commerical world (office products) then be prepared for "trades
> description" issues..
>
> There are many websites promoting Impress as an alternative to
> powerpoint.... if so then
> ensure that statement is correct and that Impress can give powerpoint a
> good hiding which I
> for one would support and even pay for if it was better.... I said if!
>
> I am at risk of abusing this forum as this type of discussion should be
> somewhere else.....
> maybe re-direct and we can get to the bottom of this... unless you've gone
> back into the
> woodwork...
>
> BTW I do pay MS their licence fee's... I'd also pay for Impress if it were
> capable of giving me
> a GUI free presenter and didn't lose interactive links.
>
> To add to your misery I am an XP user as I find Win7 GUI completely anal.
>
> sincerely
>
>
> timi
>
>
>
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