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Dear friends,

The first thing, I think, what we need is an open source(O-S) public ethics
Not only for our users but for all open-source users.

Free and open is not effortless. If all O-S users start to have the
perception that even the smallest monthly amount helps them to stay free.
That they are not powerless towards big-corp. if they together put their
energy in the goal of remaining free.
Only that way they will remain to be free.

Personally I have chosen to live an as environmental friendly live as
possible. My choice is to have a low as possible income because that is the
most environmental friendly. That is the reason for me to avoid 'big-corp'.
(I've been there).
Still I pay a small fee for all "free" software I use, because I do
understand software is not made from thin air. And I want to stay free.

For example:
If all Mozilla-Firefox users paid a few dollars a month to the Mozilla
foundation, Mozilla would not be dependent from Google.

So I think we first need a Free Software Foundation wide ethical
open-source users conduct. So every "Free" software can hook in to a
central code of conduct linked to a "Freedom is not effortless" campaign.

From that, I think, we need a stay-free logo/icon that can be used by all
O-S apps to link to the monthly contribution page.

By the way the other side of this is a public available annual financial
report by all who use the "Freedom is not effortless" trade-marks.

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen.

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Op wo 28 apr. 2021 om 16:33 schreef Telesto <>:

Op 28-4-2021 om 11:50 schreef Mike Saunders:
To be transparent of these info-bars, I would like it to appear
somewhere on the official LibreOffice site where the frequency is shown
and perhaps also the rationale for the frequency and a good explanation
of what is meant as "Get Involved" and "Donate ..." (or linked to their
appropriate pages). Make it clear as to where the money is being
invested and to the German non-profit/charitable laws governing the use
of the money ... do the German non-profit/charitable laws/rules force
the project to spend all of the donation income within that fiscal year?
The page that we link to has an
infographic on the right showing what the money is being used for, and
some text underneath about the non-profit status. There's also a link to
"financials and budget", although it's further down the right-hand
column. We're working on a website redesign now, so maybe we can make
those more prominent on the donate page...
Not to nag, but well I still struggle with the whole donation topic.
As I personally perceive it as kind of misleading (easy to misconceive).
In the sense that especially bugfixing (but maybe also features),
being outside of the scope of TDF . Obviously infra, meetings,
documentation and such is also important.

However people do see  a relation between donation and bugfixing. Or to
phrase it differently.
Some say, I have donated, why is bug XYZ not gone. This obviously not
how it works,
but implies a relation between donation to bugfixing. And that's what I
would expect to. But that's exactly how it not works.
No money is flowing to development directly.  And actually can't flow,
because of the non-profit status and rules attached.
Donations maybe also thank you to developers who fixed something, while
TDF being kind of unrelated.

TDF needs funding to obviously. All the other stuff is also important.
However the whole mystery around TDF and spending makes kind of public
You have to make study to actually know about the 'broken transfer
system' regarding bugfixing
You're actually doing more 'good' by buying LibreOffice from eco-system
partners, IMHO.

And yes, this is not marketing topic, but well marketing circling around
the hairy area by putting info-banners inside LibreOffice.
Same for the banners on download page.

And well I know this "being topic" for quite a while. Meeks written
enough about it. And where still is some status quo land. Still hoping
for a change; a fix.
Current situation is one 'Big ball of mud' to me.

Note: simply mentioning it; not expecting marketing to sort this out
(but it does play in the background)


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