Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice get involved and donation infobars - how often to show them?

This starts to become interesting. My initial (lazy) view, no objecting 
against showing the 'info bar' slightly more often.
However, Justin is making a good point too. Someone donating code for 
free (without strings attached) and making LibreOffice what it is and 
someone else going to nag about donations.
Something a (or multiple) contributing developer dislike (or even 
disagreeing  with).

So we arrive at discipline of Philosophy and Ethics.

The more Philosophy question what are objections against the infobar? 
Certain can think of some of those.
Dislike the begging? Seeing this as profiting of others work? The way 
donations are used? Seeing donations of some kind disguised license fee?

From my perspective - having plenty of bug in mind - I love 'progress'. 
And default answer: "no budget".
So fund raising is not something I'm against. If donations contribute to 
the (developer) budget..
However there is also the whole TDF spending trouble. Generating money 
without purpose (can't be spend) being useless. Or can be spend, but not 
on practical user-bugs but some hidden code-refactor.
Nothing against code-refactors. But well sometimes you want to see 
something touchable. Not something hidden deeply under the hood. So 
needs bigger strategic plan (vision) about donations & spending.

Which obviously include the topic about being 'fair' to those who 
contribute code for free. Which might entail a substantial (not 
exclusively; but proportional)  say in the spending of the donations
(as those donations all generated by their efforts).  As far this helps 
to reduce the objections; only guessing here.. Maybe missing the point 
(objections).

There is some tendency 'of doing something'. Taking action without 
proper carefully preparation and overthinking (a plan)
Yes overthinking can cause another round of plenty of input. But this 
can be managed with timelines (for input an such) and decent decision 
hierarchy and proper level,
by those who are appointed to make these decisions.

Kind regards,
Telesto


Op 27-4-2021 om 17:52 schreef Justin Luth:

> You are already getting my code contributions completely free, so IMHO 
> you should be satisfied with people making general donations to TDF 
> instead of ever nagging them via infobars. So I still think this is a 
> bad idea.
>
>
> Justin
>
>
> On 4/27/21 5:28 PM, Mike Saunders wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > In recent versions of LibreOffice, we have an infobar that's
> > periodically displayed at the top of the screen, including some text and
> > a link. Currently the configuration is:
> >
> > * 90 days after installation: show a "Get involved" button
> >
> > * 180 days after installation: show a "Donate to support our community"
> > button
> >
> > We know that the donate infobar results in a lot of donations; people
> > using LibreOffice for six months are (hopefully!) still satisfied.
> >
> > So the question is: should we change how often these are shown? We don't
> > want to "nag" anybody, but at the same time, one bar every three months
> > isn't much, I think, given that users get a completely free office
> > suite. IMO we could show the "get involved" bar after two months, and
> > the "donate" after four -- but what do others think?


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