This starts to become interesting. My initial (lazy) view, no objecting
against showing the 'info bar' slightly more often.
However, Justin is making a good point too. Someone donating code for
free (without strings attached) and making LibreOffice what it is and
someone else going to nag about donations.
Something a (or multiple) contributing developer dislike (or even
So we arrive at discipline of Philosophy and Ethics.
The more Philosophy question what are objections against the infobar?
Certain can think of some of those.
Dislike the begging? Seeing this as profiting of others work? The way
donations are used? Seeing donations of some kind disguised license fee?
From my perspective - having plenty of bug in mind - I love 'progress'.
And default answer: "no budget".
So fund raising is not something I'm against. If donations contribute to
the (developer) budget..
However there is also the whole TDF spending trouble. Generating money
without purpose (can't be spend) being useless. Or can be spend, but not
on practical user-bugs but some hidden code-refactor.
Nothing against code-refactors. But well sometimes you want to see
something touchable. Not something hidden deeply under the hood. So
needs bigger strategic plan (vision) about donations & spending.
Which obviously include the topic about being 'fair' to those who
contribute code for free. Which might entail a substantial (not
exclusively; but proportional) say in the spending of the donations
(as those donations all generated by their efforts). As far this helps
to reduce the objections; only guessing here.. Maybe missing the point
There is some tendency 'of doing something'. Taking action without
proper carefully preparation and overthinking (a plan)
Yes overthinking can cause another round of plenty of input. But this
can be managed with timelines (for input an such) and decent decision
hierarchy and proper level,
by those who are appointed to make these decisions.
Op 27-4-2021 om 17:52 schreef Justin Luth:
You are already getting my code contributions completely free, so IMHO
you should be satisfied with people making general donations to TDF
instead of ever nagging them via infobars. So I still think this is a
On 4/27/21 5:28 PM, Mike Saunders wrote:
In recent versions of LibreOffice, we have an infobar that's
periodically displayed at the top of the screen, including some text and
a link. Currently the configuration is:
* 90 days after installation: show a "Get involved" button
* 180 days after installation: show a "Donate to support our community"
We know that the donate infobar results in a lot of donations; people
using LibreOffice for six months are (hopefully!) still satisfied.
So the question is: should we change how often these are shown? We don't
want to "nag" anybody, but at the same time, one bar every three months
isn't much, I think, given that users get a completely free office
suite. IMO we could show the "get involved" bar after two months, and
the "donate" after four -- but what do others think?
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