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On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 3:18 PM Marc Paré <> wrote:

Le 2020-11-12 à 09 h 28, Simon Phipps a écrit :
On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 2:31 PM Mike Saunders <> wrote:

I made this mock-up for a download page update (of course, the "Edition"
tagline is still open for discussion):

But I think something like that would be good: segment users early on,
pushing businesses towards the ecosystem offerings, while making it
clear that the TDF version only has community support. But still giving
everyone the freedom to do what they choose.

What do you think?

Lovely work, as ever Mike! Thanks for doing it.

The problem with both the "Community Edition" tag and the whole approach
becomes much clearer with this illustration though. There is absolutely
reason I and the two people I work with in my business should not use
version, but the wording comes across as quite hostile to us. We are not
(in this role) technology enthusiasts, early adopters or power users, but
neither do we fit in the old-fashioned view of a "business user" arising
from the old days when people worked in offices and had an IT department.

We just want it to deal with the dinosaurs who don't operate purely
like we do! We are never going to pay for a support contract, and as far
I know there is no-one offering case-based paid support anyway. If we
the product we would probably want to make "gratitude" payments to
developers occasionally.

The description that would apply to our use is "Unsupported
official edition", making clear there is absolutely no problem for us to
use this download and that we can't expect any help beyond Googling it if
we have problems.



Simon, I am a little concerned that we are starting to mix more and more
our open source project which is a non-profit/charitable entity and
enterprise. In Canada we have strict laws governing charitable entities
where one who has a conflict of interest is usually not able to "profit"
from any discussions at board level. Thus, in many discussion/decisions
at board level, anyone with conflict of interest must recuse themselves
from any discussions/decisions. As well, a charitable entity has to be
careful when getting involved in any kind of "for-profit" actions as
this may cause the revocation of the charitable status of the group.

I am not sure of any other countries that may have similar laws/rules as
in Canada, but, the TDF and LibreOffice may want to be careful in how it
involves itself in "for-profit" ventures as it may have legal liability
issues for anyone participating or seeking to join the TDF board where
they may find themselves, as per their own native country laws on
charitable board rules. I am not sure, but even if the TDF is regulated
by German laws, that, should any liability issues arise against any TDF
board member from another country, there may arise a case where one
could apply the member's native country's charitable laws.

There should be a clear separation of charitable from enterprise
involvement of both.

Perhaps you could tell us if this should be considered before we start
getting the TDF/LibreOffice more involved in preparing any enterprise
marketing plans. We should be careful as to not put any of our board
members role on the board in any kind of jeopardy.

I'm unclear why you are addressing this to me? I am responding to the
proposal to segment for business use (by saying much business use is in
fact indistinguishable from personal use), not advocating it. We should not
be using any terminology that would discourage a new user of the software.

That's also why I very much dislike the term "Community Edition" as it is
closely associated with the monetisation of software by an "open core"
approach, something TDF has no time for.


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