Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Working with RedMine

Le 18.09.2014 20:27, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> Le 18/09/2014 14:05, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
> > On 18 septembre 2014 12:49:50 CEST, Cor Nouws <oolst@nouenoff.nl>
> > wrote:
> > > Florian Effenberger wrote on 18-09-14 12:13:
> > >
> > > > > So you suggest we do not experiment with anything?
> > > >
> > > > it's just my personal opinion - if each project hosts their
> > > discussion
> > > > somewhere else, chaos will break free. Plus, the entry barrier
> > > > for Redmine is much higher than for a mailing list, which makes
> > > > me fear
> > > we
> > > > would exclude people if we exclusively focus on that.
> > >
> > > I've only read Charles initial mail (well and this short one) What
> > > I thought of:
> > >
> > > RedMine is great. Project focussed working. OK Furthermore: I think
> > > additionally a mailing list is important. Just that people can ask
> > > questions. Or to send some not one x/y/z.. Also, if just all great
> > > ideas are added (sometimes it may look like dumping) at Redmine,
> > > wouldn't that incline the risk of causing a mess. Could be
> > > coordinated via mail ;/
> >
> > Yes indeed.
> >
> > > Charles: you think of doing all that via the discuss-list ??
> >
> > Well the point is to ensure that the discussions remain on the
> > discuss list abd the work goes on Redmine. To answer Florian: I think
> > today we have metrics showing we do not gain any contributors through
> > the marketing mailing list but spend lots of energy maintaining it. I
> > suggest we refrain from posting on it for 1 month and see how we feel
> > about it...
>
> I, for one, am subscribed to the libreoffice Marketing and the Design
> lists (among others). Both lists "managers" (sorry, can't find an
> appropriate wording here) have decided to go the Redmine route. I
> understand this is much better for the workflows.
>
> I have to say that I appreciate receiving news through the lists
> channels, even though I don't post much. Stopping these channels won't
> bring information any more to the public about what's going on, the
> design paths that are taken. Thus, to me, as I probably won't have much
> time to visit the LibreOffice Redmines, the project life will now turn
> to be much on the stupid users side and I shall be deprived from much
> insight.


There are no stupid users :-)
Anyway, the answer to your concern is that you can follow the activity 
on RedMine (anything from task, issues and comments on these) by 
susbcribing to the Atom feed. Just like with email, you can use your 
email client, your browser, or an online service for that: 
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/projects/marketing/issues look 
down right the screen for the link.


The problem you raise, however, deserves a better answer. You can of 
course follow a mailing list, but it's been two years since there has 
been several talks, not just here, about the need for the community to 
be aware of everything's happening in the project. the LOWN initiative, 
presently on the wiki, is probably a much better way to follow what's 
going on as well, and at some point it will have to become as rich in 
its form as it already is with its content. By which I mean that we are 
going to have to think about not just the newsletter format, but also 
about an online platform allowing anyone to subscribe and follow it in 
several ways (RSS, email, Twitter, etc.)

> I think leaving the Design and Marketing lists is a big mistake. Many
> people might be like me: listening much and speaking little. The fact
> that there's little incoming traffic doesn't mean there's no interest.
>
>
> Hence, I join my voice to Florian's one and kindly ask for a second
> thought on both the concerned lists.

Well, I'd like us to have an experiment on our work first - and right 
now it has become obvious to many that this list is not serving much 
either. Could I ask you and others for a month to subscribe to the 
activity feeds on RedMine and then tell us about your experience 
afterwards?

Best,

Charles.


> --
> Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux

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