Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Working with RedMine

Hello Robinson,


Le 17.09.2014 20:01, Robinson Tryon a écrit :
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Charles-H. Schulz
> <charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> > 1. Public Marketing List ShutDown
> > The marketing list carries little of our current workflow; in fact, 
> > most of
> > it has gone to the RedMine issue tracker already. On top of this, the
> > marketing list is not read by most of the people concerned by 
> > marketing
> > activities, namely the native-lang projects worldwide. PR coordination
> > happens on the private list and to a lesser extent on IRC for 
> > meetings. The
> > marketing list, just like any list, requires administration work, i.e.
> > moderation. There's a lot of spam arriving, usually in waves, and it
> > requires the approval or refusal of incoming mails (spam, unsubscribed
> > posters, etc.)
>
> How public is the marketing project in Redmine?  Right now people can
> easily join or review what's going on in marketing by subscribing to
> or looking in the marketing archives. Would the same public nature
> carry-over into Redmine?

Yes, absolutely. While RedMine does offer the ability to close, 
privatize, restrain certain spaces and areas or entire projects we are 
not contemplating that and should always keep this public. Anyone -today 
that is already the case if I'm not mistaken- can check out RedMine, see 
what's going on and in order to edit RedMine you need an account (an 
email address and password).

> > anything else, such as
> > discussions, would happen on the discuss list and for cross-project
> > awareness on the project mailing list.
>
> So let's say someone want to discuss marketing strategies in schools.
> Would that go to the tdf-discuss list, or?

There are several answers to that question. One is indeed to go to the 
discuss list, especially to "discuss strategies". We had many 
discussions on these on the marketing list, even on the marketing list 
of the old OpenOffice.org project. None - none - actually carried any 
action item, task, concrete plans. It may perhaps be too long to discuss 
why that is so, but to this day this is the state of things we are left 
with. Essentially, I love strategies myself, but only the ones that are 
executed or executable. This is where we're coming back to RedMine: a 
strategy must be defined and broken down into several tasks, where 
progress report can be made (even if results may not always be 
measurable), and we can do this easily with RedMine.

Another answer is that "strategies" are not devised every month and as 
such we are more likely talking about people who have ideas. Here again 
it is hoped that people can transform ideas -which are cheap unless 
someone acts on them- into a set of action items, and in doing so moving 
further in the definition of the idea and its realization.


> > 2. New Wiki
> >
> > I am personally not entirely sold on this one, but we are in a 
> > situation
> > where the marketing wiki pages are quite numerous, yet completely 
> > chaotic,
> > and often outdated. We can think about cleaning these wiki pages, but 
> > given
> > their amount we may consider to start a fresh with a new wiki. I'm not
> > suggesting that we open twenty new wiki pages on RedMine tomorrow, but 
> > that
> > we use it for a month if we need it.
>
> One of the benefits of having a single wiki is the ability to easily
> cross-link between teams, etc. Plus we do have a ton of content up
> there, including event pages stretching back multiple years. If the
> Marketing pages on the TDF wiki are hopelessly unusable, we can always
> move them all under "/Marketing-old/" and start from a blank slate,
> but I'd expect that some heavy editing might be more productive?

I really don't know. I also think that if we move to a brand new wiki we 
are indirectly questioning the relevance of the existing wiki, in one 
way or another, and it is not clear at that stage we want to leave the 
"old" wiki. My suggestion is to use the new wiki as an experiment for 
one month, and see where it takes us.


> > ** Expected results:
> >
> > - increased efficiency
> > - less maintenance (for us, not necessarily for the infra team ;-)  )
> > - increased clarity in terms of resources, contacts, etc.
>
> Could you explain a bit more what you mean re: resources/contacts?

Yes: it is my hope that resources (collaterals for instance) will be 
better displayed and easily retrievable on RedMine. Today it is complex.

> > - task-based workflow (partially achieved already)
>
> A big +1 to a task-based workflow. I've been experimenting with
> redmine a bit myself, and I think that it has some potential for
> anything that's specifically encapsulated as a TODO item. I'm a bit
> more cautious about using it in lieu of existing infra for other
> purposes.


Yes. I think it's important we give room to the experiment, and it is my 
belief that while anything cannot be turned or forced into a TODO item, 
we will increase our activity precisely by turning more things into 
tasks.

Cheers,

Charles.


> Cheers,
> --R
>
> --
> Robinson Tryon
> QA Engineer - The Document Foundation
> LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald
> qubit@libreoffice.org

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