[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LO white paper

Le 2013-11-12 18:24, Robinson Tryon a écrit :

So a little backstory:

When we did the site redesign (for 4.0, IIRC), I procured a number of
source images of all-in-one computers under a permissive license and
wanted to put those in some shared space online (for the
Design/Website teams). When I tried to upload those files to the wiki,
I encountered a couple of different issues including
- The wiki couldn't consistently handle files 5MB+
- Image preview/thumbnails were flakey for larger images
- I had to upload one file at a time

I did a bit of digging for a while and, encouraged by Florian, tested
out a few options and finally decided that ownCloud was a pretty
decent option for storing a bunch of files in a shared space online.
Based on my notes, Florian put ownCloud into service. The application
wasn't perfect, but it had a pretty simple interface and allowed us to
upload even big files (100-200MB was no problem), so it suited our
immediate needs quite well.

We'd done some preliminary testing in the month leading up to the
Milan conference, but hadn't used the system very heavily. By chance,
Charles mentioned that Marketing really, REALLY wanted a simple system
to store files, and we told him that we had just the thing...

> This still seems to blur the lines of wiki and OwnCloud use. Are we still
> using the wiki for marketing work? I viewed the LibreOffice OwnCloud as a
> temporary file storage area where people would upload their work for the
> mailing list members to view, BUT, the wiki would remain as our official
> file repository tool. Or are we now changing this? If we are, this would
> have a large impact on marketing, design and documentation. We store a lot
> of docs on our wiki.

Good questions!

I largely see ownCloud as a general-purpose place to store "stuff" for
the project. This includes drafts and papers and images and videos,
big files related to particular bug reports, and basically anything
that we want to share with one another. I generally view the wiki in
the same way.

I know that there are a few things that are a bit more formal on the
wiki, like the Trademark and Branding guidelines:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Policies/TradeMark_Policy
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding

Those wiki pages are a couple of things that I think might more
appropriate live on a separate website or in a separate namespace to
help demarcate them as being Policy pages, rather than a part of the
anyone-can-edit wiki space.

> BUT, the wiki would remain as our official
> file repository tool.

So where would you suggest different families of files live?

I think we all see a difference between
computer_image_file_01_of_20.jpg and
finished-draft-of-whitepaper_rtryon.pdf. Thinking off the top of my
head, one option would be to put all of the source files and drafts of
papers/presentations on ownCloud, and then copy just the final
versions of files to....somewhere (I'm reticent to say the wiki).

I believe the way that Documentation handles things is to put all
drafts up into a common folder (ala ownCloud) and then final versions
get published in various places (including on the website and on the
wiki). Would it make sense for Marketing to push final versions of
documents up to
libreoffice.org/marketing/{whitepapers|presentations|(etc..)}/ ? That
could be our way of saying "we consider these documents to be
polished, final versions."

Cheers,
--R

>

I see more a problem with making workflows different from one section to 
another (design, documentation, marketing) which may add confusion for 
those of us who help out in more than one area. I see this as just one 
more hurdle to getting people to work in a consistent manner.

Perhaps, a better idea would be to get the leads in design, 
documentation and marketing to decide on a process and then all follow 
the same. This will make it easier for our volunteers to work in more 
than one area without having to spend time learning how different one 
group works from another.

We are still struggling with trying to engage users to volunteer in the 
project, while at the same time, not being clear right from the start as 
to how a volunteer is expected to contribute. Adding to the mix, it now 
means that a volunteer needs to master the use of OwnCloud and the wiki.

I am not quite clear on the problem of uploading more than one file at a 
time, when a search for a wikimedia extensions shows that there is one 
available[1] for installation. As for the size of uploaded files, this 
is usually set in the configuration file. As for the preview of images, 
I am not sure I understand the problem as being flakey.

I agree that uploading a 100-200 megabyte file would be a problem, but, 
these types of files would surely fall into a very clear minority of files.

IMO, we need to make the system as easy as possible to attract, engage 
and keep our volunteers. Adding to the mix, to me, sounds a little too 
frustrating of an event for new volunteers. If we are looking for people 
who have a little time to spend helping, well, they may end up spending 
all of their time trying to figure out our work habits and not staying.

Cheers,

Marc

[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UploadWizard

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