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On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Leo Moons <> wrote:

Op 25-09-12 11:01, Tom Davies schreef:

Hi :)

I was wondering if we could set-up a "Code of Conduct" along the lines of

While we like to believe that everyone on the lists and involved with
LO is "just like us" that means very different things for different
combinations of "us".  The marketing list and documentation lists are very
polite and welcoming when someone new arrives and starts asking questions
but the Users List is often very rude and makes the new person feel very
unwelcome or even intimidated.  Can we legislate against rudeness?  Can we
even define it?  Different people obviously have very different ideas about
what is acceptable behaviour.

Regards from
Tom :)

If you see read rude comments on a list, go in discussion with the writer
off-list and post a nice reply on-list. I am pretty sure this will help more
then a "Code of conduct" which is very difficult to enforce.

The way I use the Code of Conduct is to refer people there when they
are rude or abusive.
They might just have a bad time or it might be a more general attitude.
If you were to take it off-list as standard practice, then it would
consume you in the long run.
It definetely does not scale, and *you* are very important to LibreOffice.

Just like you might have people asking the same technical question on
LibreOffice for the n-th time,
and you simply refer them to a Wiki page, the Code of Conduct has the
purpose of such a Wiki page on bad attitudes.
The purpose is to show the bad attitudes are not acceptable and you
refuse to enter the messy situation.

I haven't personally witnessed a case for "enforcing" the code of
conduct and that is fine.

Let's say that you witness an ad feminam attack
( which some consider
acceptable even in the western societies. How would you deal with that
Are ad feminam widespread? See which
discusses unacceptable behaviour at open-source conferences.

Whether someone starts volunteering their time to LibreOffice or some
other free software project is a sensitive process. In many cases
(citation needed), their decision may be dictacted on whether they
happen to encounter bad behaviour.

At the moment, the LibreOffice online community is relatively small,
and mainly English speaking.
The more LibreOffice grows, the more diverse the user-group gets. Some
things that are acceptable at one place might not be acceptable
Other communities, like at, have over 1.7 million
subscribed members and they have a code of conduct to help
coordinators and other volunteers.

The Ubuntu community plans to update to Code of Conduct v2,
and there is a facility to translate the document in different languages.

I believe that it would be great
1. to adopt a Code of Conduct document (perhaps similar to the Ubuntu one)
2. have it translated by the NL teams so that they can use locally
3. refer bad behaviour to the Code of Conduct instead of engaging

As LibreOffice Marketing, you cannot engage with someone such as a
troll. You need to deflect, and the Code of Conduct is one such tool.

Simos (EL)

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