Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-marketing] BrOffice product and community will be called LibreOffice

Italo, thanks for your elaborate explanation. You made a lot clear to me,
although I do not agree with everything you wrote and I do think every
community needs fresh participants every now and then to shake the tree and
challenge accepted wisdom.

Jon, thanks for your consideration. Personally, I took no offence in Italo's
copying. I mailed to him privately because I did not want to bother the
recipients of this list with my disagreement with Italo. If Italo thinks the
conversation is of general interest, I am fine with him publishing it.

I also agree with Jon's stance on LibO's ambitions. I feel that things
everybody needs and uses, should not be owned by a single commercial party
that makes big bucks from it. So I would like the whole world to use open
standards and free open software.

This vision implies that LibO be used by all people, not just the ones that
think hard about FOSS, have strong opinions about its philosophy and feel
part of an idealistic community. I'd love to see LibO be used the same way
Firefox or Chrome are -- because they are superior and free.

To achieve this, the developers and policy makers need to look outside the
community. Test users and focus groups of dedicated users can name new
functions that are "nice to have". IMHO, now it is more important to give
priority to the missing features that average non-committed users "need to
have". To identify those features, you'll need to ask former users. That was
the initianal point I tried to make. It turns out the opinion leaders in the
community do not agree with me. So be it.


2011/4/24 Jon Hamkins <hamkins@alumni.caltech.edu>

> On 04/23/2011 03:21 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
>
> > On 4/23/11 10:07 PM, Riemer Thalen wrote:
>
> I agree 99% with Italo, and lurking here for 6 months I have seen the great
> job he has been doing.  However, there are two things I don't think are
> quite right.
>
> First, I don't think it is good etiquette to respond to private mail to a
> public mailing list, unless one is reasonably sure that the original sender
> wouldn't mind.  I sympathize with Italo's reasons for doing so, but still,
> I'm not sure I would have gone public with someone's private complaints.
>
> [...]
>
>
>  Italo, I will unsubscribe and bother you nomore. I trust you will crush
> > > MSO with a free top-notch product and superior marketing.
> >
> > We will never crush MS Office, because we do not need to crush any
> > product. We believe that FOSS has a superior model, which is good for
> > many but not for everyone, and we are happy with our choice.
>
> I think the health of our community depends inherently on more people
> choosing to use LibO.  This means we should not be happy with a never-ending
> stream of people dropping LibO and choosing MSO because of some feature.
>  Linux, perhaps the best example of a wildly successful open source project,
> was promoted by Linus Torvalds with the tongue-in-cheek goal of "world
> domination" -- linux wanted more desktop share.  And we should want more
> office suite share.  That is the best way to grow the LibO community and to
> keep LibO development, support, and marketing areas vibrant.
>
>     ----Jon
>
>
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