Re: [libreoffice-marketing] reg: Presentation - Introducing LibreOffice

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2011/3/23 Fabián Rodríguez <magicfab@member.fsf.org>

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> - It'd be nice if the presentation had clear licensing information on
> each slide, with a slide dedicated to it at its beginning and another at
> the end. I'd suggest GFDL but other exist. I don't specially like
> CC-BY-SA unless you explain it and don't use NC (my opinion).

I had uploaded the presentation with a CC-By-SA on Slideshare and thought
that it suffices for the notice, but I agree with you and have made the
change. Though I am not sure how well I have explained it.

Can you explain how GFDL can be applied on it? I tried going through GFDL,
but could not fully comprehend it.

Do we have any licensing guideline for Marketing materials?


> - Make sure while talking about the license you indicate clearly where
> this presentation is available (Marketing wiki should be the first place)

I wanted to put it on the marketing wiki, but was unsure if it would qualify
as a proper marketing material, since it is a work in progress. I have now
uploaded it on the marketing wiki at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Introducing_LibreOffice.odp. The
wiki supported two CC based licenses, so I went for CC-By-SA, which I
generally use.


> - Slide #14 doesn't seem to add much. It also has an important mistake,
> Draw is not equivalent to MS Publisher and may raise expectations that
> can't be met. Same for Base vs. Access.

The comparision was based on Wikipedia (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org#Components) but I think it is
better to avoid any confusion or improper expectations. I have removed the
slide.


> - 2 slides of history for an unconference seems a bit much. when I
> present and explain this bit I simply state 3 highlights:
> -- LIbreOffice original codebase is 10+ years
> -- Sun bought it originally, and it's been a commercial product that
> inherited restrictions and problems of non-free products + business models
> -- When Oracle bought Sun they failed at embracing a truly free open
> source business model, which precipitated TDF and LibreOffice fork. I
> also mention most free open source software projects health can be
> directly measured by the community size/participation,
> foundation/organization(s) behind the project, and their governance
> structure

IMHO these two slides are, in a way, a celebration of the journey that
OOo/LibO has been till now. They can be an information overload, but can
easily be skipped during presenting, depending on the audience interest.


> - Under "Why LibreOffice", it's a bit repetitive. I expect the history
> part would cover that, just as I mentioned above
> - I believe a critical problem is that a corporation owns the trademark,
> and as such has complete control of the project in many ways, you could
> cite Firefox as an example. This is (as I understand it) one particular
> reason why OOo can't be considered strictly free. Java dependency
> (particularly on Windows + Mac platform) may be a better way to explain
> the non-freedom bit - I'll gladly stand corrected

I am not sure about the Java example. Isnt Java released as free software,
under GPL, as well ?


> - Cloud office doesn't strike me as related to the decision to lauch TDF
> + LibO

It was an example of how a corporation having control of OOo, can dictate
its future course, as well. I assume, This happened after TDF+LibO ?


> As a general feeling, the red fonts and focus on all the Oracle mentions
> seems like justification and bashing, when the door should remain open
> for them to contribute and we should focus on the positive aspects of
> the project. I am not sure how much longer we should put emphasis on the
> problems that lead to LibO, instead of focusing on how much common sense
> there is in any FLOSS project having such governance (the current one,
> and looking forward).

Honestly, It was just a play on the logomark of Oracle (in red fonts) and
how Oracle's red, and LibO's green in a way tells the whole story. Perhaps
that was probably a bit too playful. I have removed it as well.

Here, in India, a huge chunk of the "general community" (the end users), do
not understand exactly what LibO is. Primarily, also because that all major
distributions only included OOo till now, and LibO has only now started
becoming a part of these distributions. The objective of this presentation
was to tell the audience about LibreOffice, introduce them to the suite, and
explain what lead to its creation and how it is different from OOo.


> Ah, and one last bit, in the interest of "dogfooding", please do not
> publish your presentation on SlideShare only. They still advertise
> "uploaded as OpenOffice", and their terms of use add important
> restrictions to any content you upload there. This has improved in the
> last 2 years (they use to restrict it for personal use, only use Flash,
> etc), but remains problematic, or at the very least inconsistent when
> you are presenting about free software. Please consider uploading your
> presentation to the Marketing section of the wiki, and you can mention
> this in your presentation too.

I was not wholly aware of these issues. My work requires me to publish such
presentations on Slideshare. I have now uploaded the presentation on the
marketing wiki -
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Introducing_LibreOffice.odp and
simultaneously updated the Slideshare one too.

How do I mention it in the presentation?


> I hope this is useful, and don't expect everyone to agree to every bit
> of it - by all means let us know when/if you update the presentation and
> when its next version is available.

The updated version "2.0" is now on the marketing wiki on the links
mentioned above.


> Cheers,
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