[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [DESIGN] Do we need a separate mailing list for artwork/usability/branding...?

Le 2010-11-12 02:26, David Nelson a écrit :

Hi David et al:

> Hi, :-)
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 07:57, Bernhard Dippold
> <bernhard@familie-dippold.at>  wrote:
> > I agree that it is not easy to follow the threads on the topics you mention,
> > but from our experience with the OOo Art project and even more the Branding
> > Initiative there are important topics to be shared between the "general
> > marketing" guys and the "designers/artist" working on branding and visual
> > design.
>
> My idea would be that we shouldn't get *too* granular about this. I'd
> see two lists: 1) Marketing (event organization, flyers, templates,
> certification planning/design, etc) and 2) Artwork (technical
> graphics, branding graphics, mime graphics, UX, UI, etc).

I also agree. I think that tags will eventually break down. If we were 
to establish 2 mailing lists, the marketing members should then make a 
commitment to join both mailists and lurk on the mailist that is of 
least importance to that member. This would hopefully satisfy the notion 
that the sharing of information between the two groups will still flow 
from one group to the next. OR we could have a wiki where a quick 
summary of monthly discussions were posted for membership perusal.

> Obviously, there are quite a few subjects of overlapping interest, so
> having just two lists makes it easier for people to monitor both but
> primarily contribute to the list more central to their particular area
> of expertise.
>
> > Perhaps it could be a compromise to add dedicated [TAG]s to the subject of
> > artwork, UX and design related topics, so they can be found very easily
> > while not leaving the marketing list.
>
> Tags depend on *posting discipline*, and this seems to break down
> fairly quickly after one lays down the ground rules...
>
> Further to the discussions during to the conference call, my POV
> concerning "communications channels" is that lists don't make a good
> information storage medium. People quote badly, people go OT, people
> rant, and ideas and info easily get lost in the noise. They *can* be
> good for brainstorming. But very soon after each important thread
> reaches a natural conclusion, someone needs to collate and summarize
> the results and then post them to the wiki.
>
> Really, personally, I prefer forums. I know different people have
> different preferences, though.

You may want to consider our Nabble Gateway 
(http://www.documentfoundation.org/nabble/). It sinks with the mailists, 
Gmane and itself. All messages are seen on all 3 mediums. Nabble has the 
same structure of forums.

> (Google Wave is also great for brainstorming, in many ways, but takes
> some getting used to, and also demands "posting discipline".)
>
> It's useful to have an "IM" medium, too, as a complement for the
> above. IMHO, communal Skype chats are better than IRC: easier for many
> people to access and use. Plus a great feature of Skype chats is that
> you can *unsay and edit* your posts when you say something
> stupid/incorrect/regrettable.

I also thought that Skype chats would be a good alternative until I 
realized that I had forgotten the "mantra" that I was trying to perform 
on the lists where ever needed: "many of our users have only dial-up or 
mobile phone connections. More often these connection are quite slow and 
limit certain activities." Skype under these conditions are definitely 
not a good alternative. As a rule, we should always try to find 
solutions that will include the possibility of 100% participation of our 
membership. Otherwise we risk marginalizing that segment of our user 
base that live by lesser means or live in areas where the connectivity 
alternatives are such that only dial-up or mobile phone connections are 
possible. These groups are often disregarded for the sake of expediency 
and relegated to lesser roles in organisations. Let's find ways that 
will permit 100% participation where possible.

In this case, I suggest we keep the Talkyoo setup as a telephone 
connection is all that is needed (notwithstanding long distance charges 
where applicable). Also, Talkyoo has generously provided and is 
sponsoring our phone conferencing. This is another way for us to 
encourage corporate sponsorship fro LibreOffice.

> I really enjoy the conference calls, and feel that those discussions
> facilitate good communication and enable quick arrival at a conclusion
> about the topic under discussion (*providing* that people maintain
> good discipline). I'd definitely like to see these continue regularly.

Yes, they are quite productive. Let's keep doing our regular monthly 
meetings.


Cheers

Marc



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