Re: [libreoffice-l10n] gettext and translations

Il 01/06/2017 21:45, Mihkel Tõnnov ha scritto:
> 2017-06-01 18:14 GMT+03:00 Sophie <gautier.sophie@gmail.com>:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I invite all of you to have a read to that message from Caolan, it's a
> > discussion, so please share your concerns, your solutions, your views :)
> >
> > https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2017-May/077818.html
> >
> > For those who translates out of Pootle, msgctxt is to be removed, if you
> > need them, just tell me how you use it.
>
> Hi Sophie, *,
>
> I read Caolán's mail, and while removing clutter is good, I'm really
> worried by this proposed (impending?) removal of msgctxt. Namely, does
> removing it mean that e.g. "Left", "Edit", "Number", "Print", "None" etc.
> could no longer be translated differently (depending on the string's
> precise context) within same module? How "big" would a module be in the
> proposed new system anyway? Would all strings in same
> toolbar/panel/dialog/menu/etc. be one module, or all strings in same
> component, like the whole of Writer?

Hi All

I agree with this point, 'msgtxt' often gives to us useful hints to 
translators, especially to those people that translate offline.
Of course, if LibreOffice developers doesn't use it, it should be 
unuseful for us.

What I hope for it is the following, look at the example taken by KDE:

#. +> trunk5
#: plugins/generic/skg_advice/skgadviceboardwidget.cpp:40
#, kde-format
msgctxt "Dashboard widget title"
msgid "Advices"
msgstr "Suggerimenti"

#. +> trunk5
#: plugins/generic/skg_advice/skgadviceboardwidget.cpp:57
#, kde-format
msgctxt "Noun, a user action"
msgid "Activate all advice"
msgstr "Attiva tutti i suggerimenti"


This is very useful for us :)

> If answer to my first question is yes, then it would affect the more
> inflected languages quite badly - and very, very badly if the answer to my
> second question is anything that encompasses more than one single toolbar,
> or one single panel, or dialog, or menu. The exact maximum size of one
> module will vary by language.
>
> Also, would removing msgctxt really only affect those of us who translate
> offline? Doesn't Pootle distinguish strings based on that as well?
>
> In any case, as has been said time and time again: especially for short
> strings (one or two words), each and every appearance of the string HAS TO
> BE independently translatable, no matter if the string is same in English -
> consider these for example:
> "Number" - is it noun or verb?
> "None" - which gender, number, case, etc. does it have?
> "Open/Save/Print" - is it dialog title or the button?
>
> These are just a few most basic examples off the top of my head. There are
> many, many more such strings out there in the Estonian translation alone -
> and Estonian doesn't even have the grammatical gender distinction that e.g.
> the Slavic languages have. Ask translators of e.g. Slovenian, Bulgarian,
> Polish or Russian how many times they have had to fight in various
> projects for splitting strings that are identical in English, but need e.g.
> different gender forms in translation.
>
> Anyway, since you asked especially for offline usecases, here's mine: when
> updating the translation after several thousands of words go fuzzy after
> each major release, I use msgctxt to quickly identify the (basic) context
> of the string - is it dialog title, label, menuitem with/without context,
> etc. - and match it to suitable TM suggestion. If the location of the
> string remains unclear from msgctxt, or if it's a new feature, I go find
> the actual location based on Key-ID. If I'd have to find every last one of
> the fuzzies via Key-ID, translating LibreOffice would take a lot more time
> and effort, and cause way lot more frustration.
>
> Best regards,
> Mihkel
> Estonian team

Ciao
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