Re: [libreoffice-l10n] English Dictionaries Project - Introduction by Marco Pinto

03.05.2016 u 13:29, Dennis Roczek je napisao/la:
> And in this paragraph is lying more stuff than some might imagine. Marco
> is doing a great job, but because of the underestimate of the hunspell
> features and the "wrongly" used git, he is not able to update the
> bundled dictionary of LibreOffice (through the bundled one in AOO was
> updated).
>
> My proposal for the new project would solve many of the problems Marco
> has. (if he would have used the project from the beginning, I'm sure we
> can solve the actual situation with the en_GB dictionary).
>
> I have started a wiki page for tracking proposals, ideas, pros and cons
> together on one page.
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Dennisroczek/CDP
>
> Please feel free to improve the page!

I've read that wiki page and as somebody who just started to maintain 
dictionary have to say that it's all sounds so good to me to a point 
being fantastic (science fiction fantastic).

First:

> not doubled maintained word lists by multiple maintainers (not knowing 
> each other)

will not and can not be resolved.

Who's dictionary to include to that single repository, how to merge 
them, how to resolve different concepts (what to include, what to 
exclude), how to merge affix files with different affix classes (that 
will be a mess). Why you think that included dictionary is 'standard' 
and is better then the other one? How to introduce those guys not 
knowing each other? The other guy will give up his work? Who will hunt 
all those 'other' guys telling them 'Yo, dude, leave that, do this shit!'

How will such a repository resolve competition between two English 
dictionaries?

You can only make one of them as LO's default and hope it will get 
maintained regularly and well (and that other guy will help).

But again,you can resolve which one to include and for which one to care 
about. What you will get is other people contributing to a (new) default 
LO's dictionary and that's where it might end.

Nobody can (or should) just declare 'we are building dictionary 
repository - here use this, not that' just because being in position of 
power to do that.

You can leave everything as is but it should be communicated 
differently. It's blurry like this, at least it is to me.

It's sounds like equation goes 'LO dictionary maintainer = hunspell 
dictionary maintainer' but that is not evaluating true (it's so obvious 
that I'm risking here to be called a fool).

Maybe I misunderstood something (my English is bad).

Croatian dictionary hasn't been update since it was released in 2001, 
that's fifteen years. I'm desperate for somebody to help me, but the 
whole concept feels a little bit problematic. It's the concept that's 
bugging me...

What should be done is central repository for _LO_ dictionary and hope 
that _that instance_ -- that particular dictionary -- will become widely 
use (Firefox etc.).

Next:

> use of hunspell features correctly (not simple word lists, but by logic)

what this mean? OK, every dictionary should be build using all the 
features but those dictionaries who do just word list will continue do 
just the word list because is purgatory (or hell) to do this right if 
you were not doing it right from the beginning.

If people start randomly add affix class nobody will be able to maintain 
those dictionaries pretty soon. That can not be done easily if 
maintainer doesn't have access to some other dictionary so he can 
automate this job. It's pain and I often regret I took that on myself. 
There is no guy in the world who can add word with affix to that 
dictionary without me because it will take him tree days to study it (I 
need to write some kind of manual for that as soon as possible).

My point: it should be repository for maintaining hunspell's 
dictionaries and building extensions for other project - that's fine, 
but don't expect it to be lively as Pootle and translations - it's just 
not gonna happen, that's not realistic.

Maintaining a dictionary is devil's work and only doom are willing to do 
that; let others to participate but only a few will care for technical 
part even without a git or gerrit. Other will just want to add word or 
two, report a bad suggestion and such, but generally this repository 
will make job easy only for thous who are already doing this and that's 
where it might end (but it's a lot).

(This is not criticism to the wiki page, I wonted to post this three 
days ago...)

Did I get it all wrong?

Hit me hard,
Kruno

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