Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Follow-up on en_US changes

Þann mið  3.des 2014 23:58, skrifaði Jesper Hertel:
> Bonsoir Sophie,
>
> 2014-12-01 14:57 GMT+01:00 Sophie <gautier.sophie@gmail.com>:
>
> > Opening a new thread on the changes on the en_US version, I propose to
> > follow-up on the project@ list so we could associate the developers and
> > design teams and discuss together how to handle that in our workflow.
> > Some changes are necessary and the en_US version has to be maintained
> > too but that shouldn't have an impact or at least, as limited as
> > possible on the l10n work.
>
> For some reason I don't completely catch what you are saying, but I guess
> it is something along the lines that we should have a specific discussion
> forum for the en_US (American English, the "original" text) version? Or
> maybe a discussion about whether we should have a separate discussion forum?

I read this as 'delaying' the discussion on how to correct source texts 
(en_US) until after 4.4.0 and do it in a separate thread.

> I do believe discussing the English strings are somewhat related to the
> translation of them, so maybe because of that I fail to see a very sharp
> division between them and the localization. The English strings are, in
> principle, also a type of localization, I would say. They just have a much
> higher authority, as they become the authoritative source for the rest of
> the localizations.

I'd say that catching errors in source texts (en_US) is a vital process 
of QA for the source code - translators happen to be in the front line 
for that kind of work.

> > I'm not sure it's the good moment to open the discussion now because we
> > are all catching dead lines,

Yes, but... (see below)

> Yeah, and maybe what I wrote above is in some way also part of that
> discussion that we probably should not take now? If so, you don't have to
> respond to my comment now.
>
>
> > but I propose to do it
>
>
> Does "do it" mean start the discussion, or are you referring to something
> else?
>
> > on week 2 next year,
> > after the hard code freeze for 4.4.0.
>
> Is it ok for you all?
>
> Fine with me. :-)

But, to avoid pissing off all the translators because of typographical 
corrections (I'm all for it; there are even more types of corrections 
possible [1] than those which have been mentioned so far...), maybe the 
good moment is to do this work _before_ setting up next branch in Pootle?

I mean, to batch-replace triple-dots for proper ellipsis in source and 
in the translations that support it - in the places where UTF-8 is 
supported - could possibly be done outside of Pootle without giving new 
fuzzies, isn't it?

Typographical quotes and correction of straight apostrophes are rather 
only for the source and English derivatives, and should be done without 
fuzzying the translations. Please.

Is there a better opportunity to do such work than before next branching?

Best regards,
Sveinn í Felli

> > if yes, I'll open a ticket on Redmine.
> Très bien, Sophie!
>
>
> > Cheers
> > Sophie
>
> Santé
> Jesper

[1]: Extermination of double-spaces between sentences is one; lengthy 
discussions can easily develop on the subject: 
<http://lists.scribus.net/pipermail/scribus/2014-November/051136.html>
Other topics may be of interest e.g. on difference of typograpy on paper 
vs. screen.

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