Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCE] added possessive genitive case month names, HEADS UP localizers ; -)

El 19 de novembre de 2011 21:12, Harri Pitkänen <hatapitk@iki.fi> ha escrit:

> On Saturday 19 November 2011, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote:
> > 2011/11/19 Eike Rathke <erack@redhat.com>
> > > In a recent build you can check use of month noun versus possessive
> > > month in the number formatter if you compiled your new locale data with
> > > a make in i18npool (note: execute make twice to be sure the new data is
> > > available, it seems that due to some shortcoming in the current
> makefile
> > > setup some dependencies are missing). If the format code contains month
> > > (MMM or MMMM) and day of month (D or DD) the possessive name is
> > > displayed, else (no D or DD code) the noun is displayed.
> > >
> > > Where exactly is this going to be used -- Calc's date-formatted cells,
> >
> > Writer's date-fields, ...?
> > And will it be strictly one way or the other, or will users be able to
> > choose which form (nominative/inflected) they want in a given context?
> > I ask because in Estonian both forms (and more :P ) could be used,
> > depending on sentence.
>
> Similar problem with Finnish. We need to use genitive or partitive
> depending
> on whether the month name comes before or after the day of month. So you
> can
> write the date for today either as
>
>  "marraskuun 19. 2011" (genitive) or
>  "19. marraskuuta 2011" (partitive)
>
> Currently this is not much of a problem for us since using spelled (as
> opposed
> to numeric) months is quite uncommon. We can also work around the problem
> by
> using custom date formats: MMMM"n" for genitive and MMMM"ta" for partitive
> month name. This happens to be possible because all month names are
> inflected
> from nominative to genitive or partitive with exactly same suffix.
>
> This workaround would no longer work if all date formats containing day of
> month would automatically substitute MMMM with genitive form. Thus we
> probably
> should not add <GenitiveMonths> for Finnish at this point. But the feature
> is
> nice anyway and with a small extension (support for partitive forms) could
> make our date formats much easier to work with.
>
> Harri
Hi all,

It's not related with inflective forms, but something similar needed in
Catalan, and maybe in other languages like French or Italian.

In Catalan it's usual to use the long date form "3 de setembre de 2011"
(3rd of September of 2011, day of month of year), and other similar long
date forms using the preposition "de" (of) in front of month and year. This
form can be build with a custom date format using: D "de" MMMM "de" YYYY,
but it's not perfect, because the preposition "de" is contracted in front
of some months to "d' ", so there are 3 months were "de" should be changed
to "d' ".

Some examples, 1st of each month, from January to December, of 2011:

1 de gener de 2011
1 de febrer de 2011
1 de març de 2011
1 d'abril de 2011
1 de maig de 2011
1 de juny de 2011
1 de juliol de 2011
1 d'agost de 2011
1 de setembre de 2011
1 d'octubre de 2011
1 de novembre de 2011
1 de desembre de 2011


What's the correct way to achieve the good format in these cases?

Note: The "de" preposition in front of year can also be contracted in some
cases, but the last year in past was 11, and the first year in future will
be 11000. So, we have time to achieve the perfect date format, :)


Joan Montané

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