[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

Attending:
        Thorsten, Andras, Kendy, Norbert, Christian, Petr,
        Rainer, David, Bjoern, Kohei

* AA's done
        + announce new 4.0 wiki page (blog going live today) (Bjoern)
        + write list of things that suck for newcomers with taste (Mitch / Christian)
        + write up a time-based release rational (Italo mostly did it for Michael)
        + move all 'feature' bugs to new "most annoying for 3.5" bug (Petr)
                + list mailed with the number etc.
        + Petr to decide and come up with a static link of key bugs (Petr)
                http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Criteria
        + come up with a concrete single-git-repo plan (Norbert, Kendy)
                + do the surgery at 3.4.2 time when merging is over (ish)
        + generate a preferred date for a point-two release (Petr, Bjoern, David)

* AA still pending:
        + research when gio came into widespread being (Caolan)
                cf. http://www.gtk.org/download-linux.html
        + the rdb setup stuff is still too cumbersome (Bjoern)
        + get SmartArt into master as an experimental feature (Thorsten)
        + investigate reviewboard and come up with a more concrete proposal (Bjoern)
        + post single-git-repo plan to the dev list (Norbert)

* Agenda:
        + Action items
        + 3.4 release status (Petr)
                + RC1 going out ~now
                + large number of annoying bugs fixed
                + basic functionality is working well for users
                + RC2 / final next week
        + chasing tripple reviews for patches for 3.4.0
                + be great to broaden our reviewer base
        + TSC call time ...
AA:             + 14:00 UTC - the new consensus time (get it right next time)
        + QA update / most annoying bug skim (Rainer)
                + where should bugs live ? links to other tracking systems
                        + bugs should be in freedesktop bugzilla where possible
                        + sometimes good to have triage via up-streams ?
                + lots of co-workers doing great work, testing happening
                + responsiveness improving
        + investing in gnumake / Lanedo
                + no objections at all.
        + 3.5 / schedule alignment with desktop cadence
                + should sync with majority of distros & D/T S/W
                        + and release 2-3 months before them
                        + so distributions pick up x.y.2 or x.y.3
                + 2-3 months before
                        + Freeze Dec / June
                        + release mid Feb / mid Aug
                + June is too soon to freeze for 3.5
                        + so skip to Dec instead
                + schedule allows for QA over holidays
AA:             + fill out the wiki with the proposed post-3.4 schedule (Petr)
AA:     + look into a plan for notifing of package updates (Thorsten, Kendy)
        + Mitch / Christian's list of things that suck (Christian)
                + multiple git repositories pain (being fixed)
                + make crashing (make bug ~fixed)
                + used to developing on a branch & testing first
                + problems with waiting for a full clean build before commit
                        + delay, and waste of time often outweighs benefits
                        + understandable some cross-platform problems
                + incremental building problems: cause much build grief
                        + update, and build fails: can be just dependency breakage
                        + gnumake again can help fix this.
                + module filenames (cryptic, windows names)
                        + split modules with numeric prefixes - to help compilers
                        + should have human-readable source file names
                        + classes always used together - can make sense together
                + autogen is triggering when new downloads needed
                        + even so old-style make dependency problems around
                + namespaces painful: com::sun:star:: ... cluttering header files
                        + planned to fix for 4.0

* Next time:
        + continue most-annoying things discussion (Mitch)
        + own extensions repository  (Rainer)
        + discussion concerning discussion concerning
          future of our bug tracking System (Rainer)
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 michael.meeks@novell.com  <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot