Re: [libreoffice-design] Numbering & Bullets

Hello Heiko,

Heiko Tietze schrieb:
> You answer on the ML without reference to the GDoc proposal where most of the issues should be 
> solved.

The proposal is about a new dialog. But I want to show those problems, 
which cannot be solved by a new dialog.

 Hope I didn't mess up with the approval (everyone is allowed to comment).
> And you talk about character style and not paragraph, right?

No, it is not about character style, but all about lists. It is only 
about our current UI.

 Otherwise it's a bug since ODF talks explicitly about the first.

I do not understand your comment.

Kind regards
Regina

> On 04/04/2017 11:02 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
> > Hi Heiko,
> >
> > I think there are some things, which need more than a new dialog:
> >
> > There exists a lot of paragraph styles named "Numbering" and "List",
> > but they have no connection to the corresponding list styles.
> >
> > It is possible to set a paragraph style to an outline level and
> > connect it with a list style. But the list level is not bind to the
> > outline level. (You need this kind of outline heading, if you give an
> > appendix an ABC outline numbering and your text has a 123 outline
> > numbering.)
> >
> > The numbered items in a text box do not build a list, so that
> > changing the level of one item will not adapt the other numbers. The
> > numbering dialog for a text box seems to be the same, but the
> > position concept is different.
> >
> > The presentation object "Outline text" has a strange mix of
> > hierarchical styles, settings for numbering and bullets, but no
> > "position". You need to set the position in each item individually.
> > Here too the position concept is different from Writer.
> >
> > It is very confusing (in Writer), that with the cursor in a heading,
> > assigning a list style, or using "Bullets and Numbering" from the
> > context menu, or clicking on the symbols in the toolbar, do very
> > different things to the heading.
> >
> > Kind regards Regina
> >
> > Heiko Tietze schrieb:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > we have many tickets regarding numbering & bullets and outlines.
> > > The problem has also a high relevance in the Nantes user
> > > interviews, not knowing the details though.
> > >
> > > Good time to think about a different solution:
> > >
> > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-6zkZl5LiICnUILhv1CfIHIdyQFyTJKp7XGST5zq5U
> The proposal was made having the new area fill style dialog in mind
> > > where three columns make a) the selection from pre- and
> > > user-defined options simple, b) users get a full overview of all
> > > settings, and c) preview shows how it looks in the end. The old
> > > numbering logic is turned upside down a bit making the list styles
> > > predominant as the preset. And since users may not be aware of the
> > > different types, the numbering, bullets, and outline are merged
> > > together.
> > >
> > > All comments are welcome- and we should have a design session
> > > eventually.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Heiko


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