Re: [libreoffice-design] Numbering & Bullets

Hi.

On 05/04/17 04:28, Heiko Tietze wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> we have many tickets regarding numbering & bullets and outlines. The
> problem has also a high relevance in the Nantes user interviews, not
> knowing the details though.
>
> Good time to think about a different solution:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/16-6zkZl5LiICnUILhv1CfIHIdyQFyTJKp7XGST5zq5U
>
> The proposal was made having the new area fill style dialog in mind
> where three columns make a) the selection from pre- and user-defined
> options simple, b) users get a full overview of all settings, and c)
> preview shows how it looks in the end. The old numbering logic is
> turned upside down a bit making the list styles predominant as the
> preset. And since users may not be aware of the different types, the
> numbering, bullets, and outline are merged together.
>
> All comments are welcome- and we should have a design session eventually.
>
> Cheers,
> Heiko
I am assuming the fill style dialogue is the Area dialogue for a shape.
Is the dialogue in 5.2.5 the new one you mention, there it is very clear 
to see the outcome of selections.

Some ramblings on numbering.
I have used numbering (or is it outline numbering) for years in many 
manuals, still subject to revision and update, so a consideration for me 
would be to maintain consistency and not have to re-number.

Simpler is better as long as you don't lose any functionality, I don't 
find the current dialogues difficult to use but may be not so easy to 
understand the terminology.

I have never really got to grips with the differences between numbering 
and outline numbering (it's probably quite simple) as you apply it to a 
document. I have found the simplest way to add another numbered 
paragraph/block to my manuals is to copy/paste an existing numbered 
entry and edit the text. This keeps the style, adjusts the numbering to 
stay in sequence and adds the entry to the TOC. May be this in itself 
says something about the ease of use of the current system.

I have always thought that the numbering and bullets buttons in the tool 
bar should apply a style (transparent to the user) rather than direct 
formatting, thereby allowing future tuning document wide. I always curse 
myself when I click those buttons as I inevitably make a change later 
and have to go back through the document to get consistency.
Steve

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