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On 02/20/2016 02:11 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

On 2016-02-20 14:03, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
On 02/19/2016 01:21 PM, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Francisco,

Francisco Adrián Sánchez píše v Ne 14. 02. 2016 v 14:19 -0300:

Please, reconsider the use of Carlito as a *default* font. It has serious
design issues which came with the "modification" of the original font,
Lato, from which Carlito takes its symbols.

For example, Carlitos "eight" character is taller than the rest, making
documents look weird:

This is because the symbol it self is taller, and it isn't a hinting
problem. This is a comparison of "O", "zero" and "eight" characters made
with FontForge:

On the other hand, I haven't found any flaw in Caladea's design. However,
Caladea has a smaller symbol base than Cambria. Thus, we would be
*discriminating* Greek and Cyrillic-writer people.

Thus, unless Carlito's design is revised and corrected, and Caladea's
symbol base is completed, IMHO those typefaces shouldn't be the _default_
typefaces in LibreOffice documents.
These are good points; luckily these sound like fixable problems :-)

Can you please collect the problems more precisely - which exact
characters (or character ranges) are missing, what characters have
design problems, etc.

Also if you can double-check the metrics compatibility with the C* fonts
(like if the pair kerning is really the same etc.)  [I believe they
really are, but in case there are some corner cases, or anything.]

Based on that, I'd ask the TDF Board to consider a tender to fix such
Carlito and Caladea issues; I hope it might fit the 2016 UX budget.

Thank you for your help!

All the best,

Personally, I think you cannot have any font that has "everything" for "everyone's" needs.

I really thing we need to have a good/free unicode font that has many of the characters/glyphs that are available.

Actually, I may have the largest font collection of most people using LibreOffice [14+ GB worth of TTF and OTF fonts]. Seems to me that most of the non-specialty fonts seem to be "similar" to each other serif to serif and sans to sans. Yes there are minor differences, but unless you compared them side-by-side, you may not easily tell the difference between them.

I do wish LO can find a set of the best freely available fonts to bundle with LO's installations, but that is really easy to say and not easy to do. I end up with 250 to 500+ font files, depending on what the system is being used for, or how long it has been since I last looked as removing the fonts I have not used for months or years. IT seems that I keep adding fonts with specific names - like Carlito, Caladea, Droid, and many others - that people have indicated was needed or was mentioned in "conversations" like the one that is on these email lists. On this Ubuntu 15.10 [64 bit] laptop I have 490 files in the .font folder [unknown how many font names there are]. Actually this figure is after I reduced the number of fonts [names] by a third or so in January.
For most of my work I use only Arial. I change everything to Arial. After the first font change (where the prior fonts became unavailable) the slight spacing changes required me to adjust the format of all my manuals. I also need consistent spacing when editing and producing PDFs across Linux, win and OSX and in PDFs distributed and read (in English) in any country. To minimise the issues I have had I would recommend that with what ever new font is adopted, all previous fonts are still packaged with LO, or at lease provided as an add on package.

Some people would not like what I am going to say, but here goes. . .

I do not know about OSX, but for Linux you have the option to install the MS core Fonts - "ms-core-font-installer" or something like that - from the Linux repository, or at least with Ubuntu.

The thing is, if you have to deal with MS users - Win 7 thru 10 - they should have the same core fonts as the package that I installed on my Ubuntu laptops/desktops. Although I really do not like to use Win10, for the most part, making sure your documents [pdf, doc, etc.] only use those MS core fonts, then the MS-only users should have the same fonts installed and can view/edit your documents.

For those who use LibreOffice [not MS Office] having a set of core fonts for Windows, Linux [deb or rpm], or OSX, then having the same fonts installed by LO on those systems would be a great idea. The trouble still is that it seems most people have their favorite free font[s] that they want to be part of LO's install. Choosing the best ones for most users is the tricky part. I am glad I am the the one who has to make that decision.

Tim L.
Elmira NY, USA.

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