Re: [libreoffice-design] New default fonts

On 02/20/2016 02:11 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> On 2016-02-20 14:03, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> > On 02/19/2016 01:21 PM, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> > > Hi Francisco,
> > >
> > > Francisco Adrián Sánchez píše v Ne 14. 02. 2016 v 14:19 -0300:
> > >
> > > > Please, reconsider the use of Carlito as a *default* font. It has 
> > > > serious
> > > > design issues which came with the "modification" of the original font,
> > > > Lato, from which Carlito takes its symbols.
> > > >
> > > > For example, Carlitos "eight" character is taller than the rest, 
> > > > making
> > > > documents look weird:
> > > >
> > > > http://6g6.eu/sih0-carloto-vs-lato-3.png
> > > >
> > > > This is because the symbol it self is taller, and it isn't a hinting
> > > > problem. This is a comparison of "O", "zero" and "eight" characters 
> > > > made
> > > > with FontForge:
> > > >
> > > > http://6g6.eu/sih0-carloto-vs-lato-2.png
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, I haven't found any flaw in Caladea's design. 
> > > > However,
> > > > Caladea has a smaller symbol base than Cambria. Thus, we would be
> > > > *discriminating* Greek and Cyrillic-writer people.
> > > >
> > > > Thus, unless Carlito's design is revised and corrected, and Caladea's
> > > > symbol base is completed, IMHO those typefaces shouldn't be the 
> > > > _default_
> > > > typefaces in LibreOffice documents.
> > > These are good points; luckily these sound like fixable problems :-)
> > >
> > > Can you please collect the problems more precisely - which exact
> > > characters (or character ranges) are missing, what characters have
> > > design problems, etc.
> > >
> > > Also if you can double-check the metrics compatibility with the C* 
> > > fonts
> > > (like if the pair kerning is really the same etc.)  [I believe they
> > > really are, but in case there are some corner cases, or anything.]
> > >
> > > Based on that, I'd ask the TDF Board to consider a tender to fix such
> > > Carlito and Caladea issues; I hope it might fit the 2016 UX budget.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your help!
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > > Kendy
> >
> > Personally, I think you cannot have any font that has "everything" 
> > for "everyone's" needs.
> >
> > I really thing we need to have a good/free unicode font that has many 
> > of the characters/glyphs that are available.
> >
> > Actually, I may have the largest font collection of most people using 
> > LibreOffice [14+ GB worth of TTF and OTF fonts].  Seems to me that 
> > most of the non-specialty fonts seem to be "similar" to each other 
> > serif to serif and sans to sans.  Yes there are minor differences, 
> > but unless you compared them side-by-side, you may not easily tell 
> > the difference between them.
> >
> > I do wish LO can find a set of the best freely available fonts to 
> > bundle with LO's installations, but that is really easy to say and 
> > not easy to do.  I end up with 250 to 500+ font files, depending on 
> > what the system is being used for, or how long it has been since I 
> > last looked as removing the fonts I have not used for months or 
> > years.  IT seems that I keep adding fonts with specific names - like 
> > Carlito, Caladea, Droid, and many others - that people have indicated 
> > was needed or was mentioned in "conversations" like the one that is 
> > on these email lists. On this Ubuntu 15.10 [64 bit] laptop I have 490 
> > files in the .font folder [unknown how many font names there are].  
> > Actually this figure is after I reduced the number of fonts [names] 
> > by a third or so in January.
> For most of my work I use only Arial. I change everything to Arial. 
> After the first font change (where the prior fonts became unavailable) 
> the slight spacing changes required me to adjust the format of all my 
> manuals. I also need consistent spacing when editing and producing 
> PDFs across Linux, win and OSX and in PDFs distributed and read (in 
> English) in any country.
> To minimise the issues I have had I would recommend that with what 
> ever new font is adopted, all previous fonts are still packaged with 
> LO, or at lease provided as an add on package.
> Steve

Some people would not like what I am going to say, but here goes. . .

I do not know about OSX, but for Linux you have the option to install 
the MS core Fonts - "ms-core-font-installer" or something like that - 
from the Linux repository, or at least with Ubuntu.

The thing is, if you have to deal with MS users - Win 7 thru 10 - they 
should have the same core fonts as the package that I installed on my 
Ubuntu laptops/desktops.  Although I really do not like to use Win10, 
for the most part, making sure your documents [pdf, doc, etc.] only use 
those MS core fonts, then the MS-only users should have the same fonts 
installed and can view/edit your documents.

For those who use LibreOffice [not MS Office] having a set of core fonts 
for Windows, Linux [deb or rpm], or OSX, then having the same fonts 
installed by LO on those systems would be a great idea.  The trouble 
still is that it seems most people have their favorite free font[s] that 
they want to be part of LO's install.  Choosing the best ones for most 
users is the tricky part.  I am glad I am the the one who has to make 
that decision.

Tim L.
Elmira NY, USA.






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