Re: [libreoffice-design] New default fonts

On 02/19/2016 01:21 PM, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> Hi Francisco,
>
> Francisco Adrián Sánchez píše v Ne 14. 02. 2016 v 14:19 -0300:
>
> > Please, reconsider the use of Carlito as a *default* font. It has serious
> > design issues which came with the "modification" of the original font,
> > Lato, from which Carlito takes its symbols.
> >
> > For example, Carlitos "eight" character is taller than the rest, making
> > documents look weird:
> >
> > http://6g6.eu/sih0-carloto-vs-lato-3.png
> >
> > This is because the symbol it self is taller, and it isn't a hinting
> > problem. This is a comparison of "O", "zero" and "eight" characters made
> > with FontForge:
> >
> > http://6g6.eu/sih0-carloto-vs-lato-2.png
> >
> > On the other hand, I haven't found any flaw in Caladea's design. However,
> > Caladea has a smaller symbol base than Cambria. Thus, we would be
> > *discriminating* Greek and Cyrillic-writer people.
> >
> > Thus, unless Carlito's design is revised and corrected, and Caladea's
> > symbol base is completed, IMHO those typefaces shouldn't be the _default_
> > typefaces in LibreOffice documents.
> These are good points; luckily these sound like fixable problems :-)
>
> Can you please collect the problems more precisely - which exact
> characters (or character ranges) are missing, what characters have
> design problems, etc.
>
> Also if you can double-check the metrics compatibility with the C* fonts
> (like if the pair kerning is really the same etc.)  [I believe they
> really are, but in case there are some corner cases, or anything.]
>
> Based on that, I'd ask the TDF Board to consider a tender to fix such
> Carlito and Caladea issues; I hope it might fit the 2016 UX budget.
>
> Thank you for your help!
>
> All the best,
> Kendy

Personally, I think you cannot have any font that has "everything" for 
"everyone's" needs.

I really thing we need to have a good/free unicode font that has many of 
the characters/glyphs that are available.

Actually, I may have the largest font collection of most people using 
LibreOffice [14+ GB worth of TTF and OTF fonts].  Seems to me that most 
of the non-specialty fonts seem to be "similar" to each other serif to 
serif and sans to sans.  Yes there are minor differences, but unless you 
compared them side-by-side, you may not easily tell the difference 
between them.

I do wish LO can find a set of the best freely available fonts to bundle 
with LO's installations, but that is really easy to say and not easy to 
do.  I end up with 250 to 500+ font files, depending on what the system 
is being used for, or how long it has been since I last looked as 
removing the fonts I have not used for months or years.  IT seems that I 
keep adding fonts with specific names - like Carlito, Caladea, Droid, 
and many others - that people have indicated was needed or was mentioned 
in "conversations" like the one that is on these email lists.  On this 
Ubuntu 15.10 [64 bit] laptop I have 490 files in the .font folder 
[unknown how many font names there are].  Actually this figure is after 
I reduced the number of fonts [names] by a third or so in January.



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