Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Impress Mode Toolbar

Hi,

Le 14/01/2016 20:31, V Stuart Foote a écrit :
> Michel RENON-2 wrote
> > > Are there hicups--design, UI and UX--absolutely! That keeps it fun for
> > > the
> > > developers.
> >
> > Sorry, I can't agree :
> > as a developer and designer, my focus is users.
> > And the only way for me to have fun is to have for every release :
> > - all problems solved / no regressions
> > - happy users
> >
> > I hardly can't imagine why it is fun for developers to ship software to
> > millions of users that have hiccups/problems to be solved in the next
> > 6-month-release...
> > Is it really the common way of thinking in FOSS ?
>
> If we were just "releasing" every six months "when ready"--maybe it then
> would be reasonable to hold back "feature" and design changes--and develop
> (design, code, test)  new features in branches.  But suspect in that
> scenario a whole lot of innovation would *never* see the light of day as it
> would not be reviewed and the responsible dev would move on to other more
> interesting things. Development in master forces a certain discipline and
> consistency to the process--it is inherently all peer reviewed--and to the
> extent that users participate, they see it then.
>
> With our 6-month life cycle of a major releases, we actually "release" every
> month, and have ample opportunity to repair regression or revert
> inappropriate features that really do adversely impact usability of the
> suite.  Sorry, but it does not have to be flawless--nor is it.
>
> Given the numbers of volunteers actually contributing to the project in that
> scenario it simply remains more efficient to develop into master.  There our
> limited counts of Designers, QA and developers as well as motivated users
> are freely able to review emerging features (or issues) and comment as
> development proceeds.
>
> The shortcoming is obtaining consistent and continual review by a broader
> user community--that is a communications issue.  Most issues are cosmetic

Unfortunately not, here is an example of feedback of the template 
manager [1] :
--------------------------------------------------------------
* Learning lessons from the template manager story (Cedric)
        + was never included in any release as an experimental feature
        + can we find a way to encourage people to try experimental features ?
        + communication problems around entirely new UI elements (Astron)
        + better testing of new designs needed early in the cycle (Cedric)
        + no need for a formal process, shouldn't be hard to get
          testers for nice new features (Bjoern)

--------------------------------------------------------------

Cedric was one of the main developers working of template manager, maybe 
you'll listen to him.

All I'm trying to do is to help you avoid repeat those past mistakes.



Michel




[1] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-March/047676.html


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