Re: [libreoffice-design] The style drop down menu in properties tab (sidebar) is redundant and unnecessary

Hi Bastián, all,

Bastián Díaz wrote on 18-10-15 16:14:
> El 18-10-2015 05:28, Cor Nouws escribió:
> > Incidentally I thought about this control this morning (we looked at it
> > at a NL_LibreOffice meeting yesterday).
> > I like the current improvement and think it can be extended, so that in
> > the side bar you can chose (at least):
> > - show (thus edit) properties of style or text as displayed.
> > and (maybe):
> > - allow choosing paragraph or character styles (or all styles) with the
> > little icons, as in the styles and formatting panel..
> > and when we are that far ... also choose between style properties and
> > style list...
>
> It looks very interesting, but again I think you try to add a new way of
> "apply styles". So I think I would support redundant and improve the
> current tab of styles and formatting on the sidebar.

If you talk redundancy, that could also be an argument to not at all
have "Apply style" on the properties panel?

> On the other hand, I do not dismiss the idea. You can use improved
> drop-down menu in the toolbar (perhaps a new toolbar styles) or include
> it in a mad idea of single toolbar, google docs-style.

IMO the drop down "Apply Style" in the Formatting tool bar already is great.

> > Of course then we need more vertical space (extra controls above the
> > styles drop down, and a separator below + an indicator showing: edit
> > style properties / edit text (direct) formatting or somesuch.
> >
> > Then the whole panel could maybe renamed from
> > "- Properties" to "- Formatting",
> > the upper sub panel "- Styles" and the next one (below a new 'separator'
> > "- Properties".
>
> It seems that mine may be a false impression, but with the use of IT
> sidebar, relate the "Properties" tab with "direct formatting" contrary
> to the tabs "Styles and Formatting" with ... styles.
> I would not want it to break.

That is part of the discussion: as we do want to improve the use of
styles, then offer them handsome in the Side Bar. Hence they appeared on
the panel Properties in the first place.

> > This would improve working with styles. You see immediately what you're
> > changing.
>
> Right, but the sidebar has a different workflow. Not always visible and
> also the same tab, the contents of the sidebar can be hidden. For these
> cases kept the formatting toolbar, but it is better to renew the sidebar.
>
> See: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94427

I see little relation - but that may change if I understand the idea better.

> > (Additional notes
> > - the only reason I have a toolbar active, is that I can see/use the
> > "Apply style" list.
>
> ditto. If that's your approach, you might want an improvement in the
> toolbar. docs google toolbar for LibreOffice.
>
> > - would be great if that control in side bar could (eventually) also be
> > accessed with Ctrl+F11. )
> >
> > Ideas?
>  
> [...]

Cheers - Cor


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