Re: [libreoffice-design] The style drop down menu in properties tab (sidebar) is redundant and unnecessary

El 18-10-2015 05:28, Cor Nouws escribió:

> Hi all,
>
> Incidentally I thought about this control this morning (we looked at it
> at a NL_LibreOffice meeting yesterday).
> I like the current improvement and think it can be extended, so that in
> the side bar you can chose (at least):
> - show (thus edit) properties of style or text as displayed.
> and (maybe):
> - allow choosing paragraph or character styles (or all styles) with the
> little icons, as in the styles and formatting panel..
> and when we are that far ... also choose between style properties and
> style list...

It looks very interesting, but again I think you try to add a new way of 
"apply styles". So I think I would support redundant and improve the 
current tab of styles and formatting on the sidebar.

On the other hand, I do not dismiss the idea. You can use improved 
drop-down menu in the toolbar (perhaps a new toolbar styles) or include 
it in a mad idea of single toolbar, google docs-style.

> Of course then we need more vertical space (extra controls above the
> styles drop down, and a separator below + an indicator showing: edit
> style properties / edit text (direct) formatting or somesuch.
>
> Then the whole panel could maybe renamed from
> "- Properties" to "- Formatting",
> the upper sub panel "- Styles" and the next one (below a new 
> 'separator'
> "- Properties".

It seems that mine may be a false impression, but with the use of IT 
sidebar, relate the "Properties" tab with "direct formatting" contrary 
to the tabs "Styles and Formatting" with ... styles.
I would not want it to break.

> This would improve working with styles. You see immediately what you're
> changing.

Right, but the sidebar has a different workflow. Not always visible and 
also the same tab, the contents of the sidebar can be hidden. For these 
cases kept the formatting toolbar, but it is better to renew the 
sidebar.

See: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94427

> (Additional notes
> - the only reason I have a toolbar active, is that I can see/use the
> "Apply style" list.

ditto. If that's your approach, you might want an improvement in the 
toolbar. docs google toolbar for LibreOffice.

> - would be great if that control in side bar could (eventually) also be
> accessed with Ctrl+F11. )
>
> Ideas?

I bet to keep the properties tab with direct formatting options (tell me 
if this notion is wrong) and improve the workflow tab of Styles and 
Formatting.
Add styles control in the properties tab is redundant and does not seem 
a good idea to improve it.
I have the same sense of purpose regarding the drop-down menu in the 
toolbar, but I only used as "indicator" style currently used ... nothing 
more.

ideas Styles and Formatting sidebar:
- Add changed styles in the list of custom styles.

If I take a default style and make modifications for use in the 
document, it is not considered in the list of custom styles.
I usually use show Custom Styles to have the complete list of styles 
that will use the document (applied or not), but the default styles that 
have been modified not listed (so I think new styles for all).

> Cheers - Cor
>
> NB Thanks for asking Bastián, was on my mind already a long time that I
> wanted to work on clearer ideas for this subject. Now thanks to the
> meeting yesterday and your question it just happened :)
> PS I know there is an issue for this. But I'm a sort of finishing stuff
> before a week holiday. So leave the idea here.)
>
> --
> Cor Nouws



Thanks for your attention
--
Bastián Díaz
https://telegram.me/diaz_bastian

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