Re: [libreoffice-design] The style drop down menu in properties tab (sidebar) is redundant and unnecessary

> El 10-11-2015 12:41, Pedro Rosmaninho escribió:
>
> If you don't like it, fine. If other people prefer it and actually
> > contribute based on their preferences then their opinion counts as much as
> > your if you're a contributor.
> Please we contribute to the discussion. If you read my arguments, I know
> beyond liking or not liking that option.
>
> I do not say otherwise. it is convenient to operate in a toolbar, not in
> > > the sidebar, so I proposed a toolbar >>like google-docs.
> ​To you. Other people find it more convenient to operate in the Sidebar. I
> > give strong preference to the Sidebar >because it uses space in my 16:9
> > displays a lot better than having 2 or 3 toolbars. So don't presume that
> > your >way is the best just because you use more and then want to remove all
> > other options.​
>
> Again, if you read my arguments, you would know that:
>
> - I also strongly support the sidebar, however, it does not seem desirable
> to have "duplicate functions" for the styles in Writer documents.
> Therefore, I am in favor of improving the panel "Styles and Formatting"
> and not additionally add a dropdown menu to apply styles in the properties
> panel. (Redundant also considering adding a menu of styles in version 5.1).
>
> - I never mention use many toolbars, on the contrary I propose a single
> tool bar, similar to that used in google-docs. In that context a dropdown
> menu would be useful. The other tools appear depending on the context of
> use in the sidebar.
>
> - The current functions of styles in the properties panel seem limited. If
> you use styles actively, always you end up using the panel "Styles and
> Formatting". Should continue developing, we have the same functions in two
> different sections of the sidebar (property panel and panel styles and
> formatting), which to me seems inconvenient.
> Should continue developing, we have the same functions in two different
> sections of the sidebar (property panel and styles and formatting panel),
> which to me seems inconvenient.
>
> See:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Styles-menu.png
>
> @Pedro What do you think about that?
>
>
> ​It seems that our opinions match strongly except on this matter. For me
the optimal default UI of LO would be one where the main modules have just
one single toolbar and everything else located in the Sidebar. This is
easily accomplishable in Writer already. Impress is already there! :)
Calc needs a bit more work.

As for the Styles Menu I think it improves the flexibility of LO allowing
people to use the menu instead​. Optimal for power users.

After reading your proposal further down, I must say I agree with you.
There's already Styles and Formatting and that tab of the Sidebar should be
improved.
But the Styles category in the Property panel has one advantage: it is
drop-down and easier to see the different Styles (although it constantly
crashes in my install of 5.0).

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My question is:
*Why not add the style dropdown menu in the panel of styles and formatting?*

proposal:
- The dropdown menu can be positioned at the top or bottom of styles and
formatting panel.
- The drop-down menu will be sensitive categories (document styles, applied
styles, custom styles, etc.)
- (based on mockups) In a single panel (stack view?) Are displayed, the
paragraph and character styles.

In practice it would become very practical: a) at a glance would have
available all paragraph and character styles. b) through the dropdown menu,
based on categories would faster selection or specific styles.

This approach maintains differentiated the properties panel (direct
formatting) and panel styles and formatting.
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I love this idea.
The Styles and Formatting panel in the Sidebar looks and behaves very
differently from the rest of the panels. The icons for the different
categories in the Tango icon set also don't help.

I would organize those categories as the categories are organized in the
Properties tab converting the current UI to dropdown menus as in the
Properties for the different categories.
This would make the UX similar between the Properties panel and Styles and
Formatting panel.

As for what Yousuf wrote, I think he means that this discussion won't give
results for 5.1 because there's a lot of other stuff being worked on.
This item should definitely be included for 5.2.

For more people to use the Styles and Formatting the UI must be clearer and
similar to the Properties panel.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Bastián Díaz <diaz.bastian@openmailbox.org
> wrote:

> El 11-11-2015 07:17, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips escribió:
>
>
> > You could consider deleting to 5.1?
> > >
> >
> > It is something that will be staying in the properties tab.
> It seems that with those words, does not give rise to any discussion.
>
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