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Hi Marc,
Le 20/12/2014 14:59, Marc Paré a écrit :

Phew ... coming in really late on this discussion and having read the
other recent comments elsewhere,

I also agree with KJ that there is no need to hurry. IMO, better to give
people enough lead time and time to develop nice templates is better
than to push for a fast submission. At least making the contest result
for the roll-out of 4.4.1 will allow the serious template designers some
time to submit quality work rather than hurried work. I can't imagine a
serious template developer hurrying with a template submission and
compromising quality ... we risk getting submitted templates that are
more alpha-early-beta than getting polished templates ready for
user/commercial use.

Yes, that was a late request but let's go for it. The issue is that the
Start Center has a new button for templates and the folder will be empty
under several components. That will solve this for the en_US version
which is the most downloaded. The localized versions will have an empty
folder and the contest will work for them later.

We often worry about lack of community involvement, but, when there is a
wonderful occasion where community involvement with such a contest where
there is a low-entry level of understanding of LibreOffice and where
template usage is directed towards our users, we do not even provide
users the chance to vote on a template contest ... surely a users idea
of what a good and purposeful template would be different from a
designer's perspective.

I'm not sure users are aware of all the needed things to have a reliable
template and one that could be localized too, so the best way would be
that the design team does a pre selection and let the users vote only on
the templates that complies.

IMO, I would even be in favour of pushing this to 4.4.2 or later to
leave ample time for user voting ... templates usage are always driven
by user usage, and users are quick to recognize the utility of a good
template, they would need some time to experiment with any submitted
templates before voting.

IMO, the template contest is being put on in too much of a short
time-frame, will have no community-building value to it -- the users
will not even have a say as to which template(s) they find useful.

That could be done later with the localization too, which is quite a
huge work.

Why not just call the contest, and, as newly submitted templates come
in, have the designer team do a quick test to QA their addition to the
4.4.x series, and then have users vote on the most useful template
sometime around 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 ... this will give users enough time to
try out the templates and we will gain more in community involvement. It
would not stop the designers from voting on their choice of template,
which could still be run in conjunction with the user choice.

yes, this is how I see it too.

I also worry that we are giving our user base the impression that
contests such as these are put on quickly without proper lead time ... I
am not sure it helps our brand that is highly recognized and respected.
Sometimes, taking a little extra time will help show our user base that
we value quality and that our contests are taken seriously.

There will be a follow-up for the next versions, so I guess we should
consider this contest as a kick-off for the others that will be organized.


Sophie Gautier
Co-founder - Release coordinator
The Document Foundation

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