Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: The Sidebar Problem

Did you even read my previous messages?
I never suggested a massive UI or workflow change so don't go assuming that
I did. Go read my messages here before please.




On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Sean White <runicpaladin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Teo91 <mcavalleri91@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sean White wrote
> > > Just look at what happened to MSOffice after Ribbon.  Leaving aside the
> > > arguments of
> > > whether it did indeed change things for their better, it undeniably
> > > changed
> > > them dramatically.  This resulted in lots of hate from people that were
> > > force to change their work flow.
> >
> > That's not the sidebar case: as discussed upper, the idea is provide an
> > (almost) complete UI aside the existing one,
> > potentially avoiding any menu browsing. Potentially.
> > Don't like the sidebar? It's a click away, close it and will disappear as
> > never existed.
> > Don't like classic UI? Close toolbars and use the sidebar.
> > Ribbon affected users workflow because they had no choice: "Take this and
> > shut up" - MS said.
> > We are *not* doing something similar.
>
>
> I think you misunderstood my intent.  My point was to pedro's seeming
> suggestion of a massive UI change, or at the very least an abrupt workflow
> change.  It's didn't work terribly well when microssoft did it becuase it
> DID change peoples workflows too much.  Regardless of personaly feelings of
> productivity, massive workflow changes on major products aren't generally a
> good thing as MSOffice, Windows 8 and Gnome have all demonstrated.  From
> experiences with this mailing list I have a feeling that this is always
> going to be a major reason why people won't go with a complete redesign
> right off the bat, more a gradual shift towards a design/mockup goal.
>
>
>
> > Sean White wrote
> > > LibreOffice uses it's own internal toolkit with a custom selection of
> UI
> > > elements thus any
> > > massive UI change would require the writing of new UI elements into the
> > > toolkit and
> > > probably the rewritting of a fair ammount of old ones
> >
> > No more, not in the upcoming future:
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/WidgetLayout/FindDialogs
> > Over 84% of current dialogs have been converted to the new .ui format who
> > rely on GTK+3 toolkit.
> > When complete, the plans are (as far as I know):
> > - convert toolkit used by exstensions
> > - get rid of hundreds of .rsc files (a .po-like old format used for
> > translation)
> > - finally port main windows to GTK+3
> >
> > There isn't an arrival date, but forget LO own toolkit in the future, it
> > will be no more a limitation for a UI change :)
> >
> > The good news is that the sidebar is indeed a dialog docked on the side
> and
> > already converted to GTK since LO 4.2
> > A potential developers doesn't need to learn a weird old technology,
> > neither
> > extending it with new elements.
> >
> > A sidebar improvement still require time and hard work, but it's notably
> > simpler now.
> > Another good reason why this is the right way to finally enhance LO
> visual
> > experience.
>
>
>
> I'll admit that I have been out of the Libreoffice loop lately so this is
> both new and exciting.  The custom toolkit always struck me a barrier of
> entry to any prospective new contributors. I hope the rest of the
> conversion goes well then.
>
>
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