Re: [libreoffice-design] The Sidebar Problem

OK
Now the question - where is the "side bar" in LO?  I have latest non-RC 
4.2.x and do not see a "side bar" anywhere.  Of course it could be a 
long way off.

As for the dual menu option, well you will really need to be specific 
about the user has the choice and what they are.  It would be nice to be 
able to choose one than choose the other, without re-installation, if 
the first one does not work for the user, plus easy to change -i.e. not 
buried somewhere in a ribbon somewhere.

Yes some users like a more "modern" GUI and/or menu system, but others 
can get rather lost in it trying to find out how to do things in the 
"new way".  I know we got a lot of users from MSO who did not like the 
ribbon "system".  A lot of MSO users had to be "heavily" retrained to 
deal with "ribbons".  Many businesses did not want to go to the newest 
version of MSO because they would have to learn the new interface.  Some 
have upgraded while others have not.  Some have gone to LO, of those who 
did not buy into the MSO hype of getting [must get really] the new 
version every time it came out, and for every computer in "your" company 
no matter how much it would cost you.


I have not installed any other version, except a trial one, for MSO 
since MSO 2003 came out.  The only reason I did was to read/convert 
OOXML [.docx and the others] to the 2003 and earlier formats.  That was 
before LO came out.  Most times I do not need to do that anymore, but I 
now have access to MSO2010 so I should be able to use that option 
instead of a trial, unless it is a MSO file of the newest version[s] 
beyond what MSO2010 can read "correctly".  I tend to convert all .docx 
files to .doc and .odt. One for the MSO users and the other for me.




On 03/20/2014 11:34 AM, Nagy Ákos wrote:
> For this reason is a very good solution to offer two choise, because a 
> lot of people think that the old style is unusable.
>
> 2014.03.20. 15:32 keltezéssel, Kracked_P_P---webmaster írta:
> > I hate MSO ribbon menu system.
> > I had to work with it last week and it was a battle to find what I 
> > needed in Word 2010.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 03/20/2014 04:43 AM, Nagy Ákos wrote:
> > > Maybe one solution is that make the same think, that do Kingsoft 
> > > Office.
> > > Kingsoft office, in installation procedure offer two skins:
> > > Classic - with menu, and LO style icons
> > > Ribbon Style - with ribbon menu
> > >
> > > and in Ribbon Style offer a Sidebar (Taks Window) too, for styles, 
> > > shapes, etc.
> > >
> > > Professional users, who use menu, templates and advanced formating 
> > > options, leave the actual desing, and for users who like ribbons, 
> > > modern design, and local formatting, offer a ribbon menu.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2014.01.28. 18:06 keltezéssel, Mirek M. írta:
> > > > Hi guys,
> > > > Ever since we've adopted the sidebar, we've had issues with duplicate
> > > > panels [1]. Worse yet, the sidebar brings yet another UI element to 
> > > > look
> > > > through for commands. This might not sound like a big problem, but 
> > > > this
> > > > makes our already hard to use UI even harder to use, and is bound 
> > > > to get
> > > > worse as the sidebar develops.
> > > >
> > > > I'd recommend to read through the usability problems Microsoft 
> > > > found with
> > > > its Office task pane (which was very much like our sidebar):
> > > > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jensenh/archive/2006/04/03/567261.aspx .
> > > >
> > > > So what should we do?
> > > >
> > > > I've been a big advocate of having a single place where to look for
> > > > commands. (That, by the way, is the single biggest advantage the 
> > > > Ribbon
> > > > brought to MS Office [2].) In our case, that place would be the 
> > > > toolbar.
> > > >
> > > > My proposed solution would be to split the sidebar into individual 
> > > > panels
> > > > (e.g. Properties, Formulas, Custom Animation, Slide Transition, 
> > > > etc.) and
> > > > add buttons for launching them to the relevant toolbars. This would 
> > > > not
> > > > only solve the problems of panel duplication [1], but it would also 
> > > > add
> > > > context to the individual panels. For example, the Slide Layout and 
> > > > Slide
> > > > Transition buttons would appear in the Slide toolbar. The Functions 
> > > > pane
> > > > could appear when clicking the functions button in the formula bar.
> > > > Properties could easily replace all the toolbar buttons that currently
> > > > point to the relevant formatting dialogs. And we already have 
> > > > buttons for
> > > > Styles, the Gallery, and the Navigator.
> > > >
> > > > In any case, it's imperative that we do something about the 
> > > > problem. We
> > > > can't afford to dig ourselves even further in terms of UX.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73151
> > > > [2] "The Ribbon is the starting point for all functionality." --
> > > > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jensenh/archive/2005/10/11/479586.aspx


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